From barony at cynnabar.org Fri Jan 1 13:48:13 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Aaron Elkiss via Barony) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 08:48:13 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] new website design Message-ID: Happy New Year! The Cynnabar website (www.cynnabar.org) has a new layout, thanks to Mistress Jadwiga. This layout is fully responsive and should be usable on all devices from smartphones to desktops. Some other updates: - I re-wrote the front page to try to be more externally-focused - I removed many outdated pages - I migrated the underlying technology from Drupal to Ruby on Rails. This makes it easier to add new features to the web site. If you previously had the ability to edit content, you will still be able to do that, but you will need a new password. Watch your e-mail for a new password sometime today. If you don't hear from me but want to be able to edit your area of the site, let me know. 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When: Mon Jan 4, 2016 7pm - 10pm Eastern Time Where: Ypsilanti charter Township, Ypsilanti Charter Township, MI, USA Calendar: Cynnabar Arts & Sciences Who: * John Wilkerson - creator Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=ZWV0N25wc2Y0cHZlczR2YnZrODh2Z2Y5YnNfMjAxNjAxMDVUMDAwMDAwWiBjbnZucmw0cHE2dDlibDY4bzNybjhmOGJkMEBn Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account barony at cynnabar.org because you are subscribed for notifications on calendar Cynnabar Arts & Sciences. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. Learn more at https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Mon Jan 4 03:19:52 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Matt Lagemann via Barony) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] A Deed Worthy of Hector Message-ID: I wish to speak the deeds of Lord Eadr?d and his dedication to all that he does. When Kasha and I needed someone to herald Our court at the Student Demo this past fall, we asked Lord Eadr?d if he would do Us the honor of being Our voice. Prior to that day he had never been a court herald, but he had taken a class on the subject. Eadr?d studied the notes from the class, studied each award We had scheduled to hand out, and made sure that he knew how to pronounce each person's name. He admitted some nervousness before court, but what I witnessed was a man confident in his abilities. Lord Eadr?d rose to the challenge set forth and I submit him to you as a man who inspires me to take up those things that are new to me and, through hard work and determination, see them through to the end. 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This layout is fully responsive and should be usable on > all devices from smartphones to desktops. > > Some other updates: > > - I re-wrote the front page to try to be more externally-focused > - I removed many outdated pages > - I migrated the underlying technology from Drupal to Ruby on Rails. This > makes it easier to add new features to the web site. > > If you previously had the ability to edit content, you will still be able > to do that, but you will need a new password. Watch your e-mail for a new > password sometime today. 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When: Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:30pm - 7:20pm Eastern Time Where: Center Room, Pierpont Commons, 2101 Bonisteel Blvd, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Calendar: Barony of Cynnabar Who: * dawnlsinclair at gmail.com - creator Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=dmlwbnV1cW1wcXM4a3Jkc2pvdHU3dTY4ZTQgaGhsYjM4cjZnczlkajBnNHNmbjBvZm43bnNAZw Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account barony at cynnabar.org because you are subscribed for notifications on calendar Barony of Cynnabar. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. Learn more at https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A map showing closest parking lots is available at http://www.cynnabar.org/grandtourney/north-campus-meeting-parking.jpg When: Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:30pm - 8:30pm Eastern Time Where: Center Room, Pierpont Commons, 2101 Bonisteel Blvd, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Calendar: Barony of Cynnabar Who: * Genoveva von L?beck - creator Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=MzFsajVocXRrcTZwZ3NvczNwOW90OG1tMmNfMjAxNjAxMTJUMDAzMDAwWiBoaGxiMzhyNmdzOWRqMGc0c2ZuMG9mbjduc0Bn Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account barony at cynnabar.org because you are subscribed for notifications on calendar Barony of Cynnabar. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. 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We will start at 1pm in the Anderson Room at the Michigan Union and we plan to have everything done by 5pm. Both armored and rapier practices will be starting at noon, so you can always come by early if you have never been to a practice (and don't worry, a few of those folks will be stopping in to see you). Please feel free to send questions to Us directly at baron at cynnabar.org and baroness at cynnabar.org. We look forward to seeing you all there! In Service, Ermenrich and Kasha Baron and Baroness of Cynnabar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Tue Jan 12 19:10:25 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Cynnabar Seneschal via Barony) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:10:25 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] 20160111 Barony of Cynnabar Minutes Message-ID: 20160111 Barony of Cynnabar Center Room, Pierpont Commons. Workshops 6:30 to 7:15. Meeting 7:30- 8:30. *Workshop Topics: * *The Rose Theatre, by Lady Daye*: a brief history and introduction to the building where Shakespeare got started. It was Great! *Jan 18 - Tentatively - Developing an Event Bid, by Mistress Giovanna* *Jan 25 - Good Books for Medievalists, by Mistress Kay. *A round-table discussion about Society related books. Come with your own favorites on a list or in mind, please. *Activity, Event & Demo Reports* *12th night Highlights: *almost everyone at the meeting had attended. Genoveva?s on vigil for the Laurel! Life sized Rice Krispie treat Fist coated in sheets of white chocolate for Jason Irenfist?s vigil (made by Hannah). Dancing with Live music, despite poor acoustics. Good youth activities, including a Quest to find and talk to Peers. A fun Court, with friends recognized. *Upcoming Baronial Events and Demos* *Terpsichore at the Tower (March 5, 2016)* St Paul United Church of Christ, Saline, MI Ceara is event steward. Budget $1000. Break even 84 Adults. ? The Crown is Coming! This has added attendees in past years. And 1 peerage meeting, so far. ? The Sanctuary is going to be closed for renovation. ? *Do we need a different site? *We have money. Kasha, Ermenrich and Ceara will look at the possibilities. Giovanna may know some sites and Gregoire will ask. *St. Cecilia at the Tower (Sat April 30- Sun May 1, 2016)* St Paul United Church of Christ, Saline, MI Mistress Jadwiga is event steward. Budget $400. Break even 67 Adults. ? Will the Sanctuary renovation at St Paul?s still be an issue? Not known, but Jadwiga dies not think it is a problem for St Cecilia. ? Teacher invitations have gone out. ? Selection of the piece for a Group Sing is in process. ? Web site is up, by Genoveva. Jadwiga is going to put up the event Facebook page. ? Kay will find out if we *must* use the new Kingdom Facebook template. She will seek advice on how to copy over an existing page on to the kingdom page. *Spring Revel 2016* DATE TBD ? Their Excellencies are soliciting bids for the Spring Revel. Bids should be submitted by the first meeting of February at the latest. This is an easy event to steward if you want to try it. ? Kay will Check dates at Island park far structure to see how they are filling up. *Grand Day of Tournaments 2016 (Sat Nov 5, 2016)* Liberty School, Ann Arbor Saline Road, Saline, MI *2nd of 3 meetings* - Event proposal from Mistress Giovanna: o Slightly different proposal ? the actual event proposal will be a group effort from Mistress Giovanna and those that are interested in learning more about running events from her. She would be the lead event steward, and the others would be ?deputies? learning from her about all steps of the process. o Traditional Event Proposal: Last meeting in January. o Workshops and Training courses would be part of the teaching process for this event. - Other proposals are still being solicited for this event ? Please present your proposal at a meeting or submit them to the Seneschal in advance of the last meeting of January. *Pentemere 12th Night 2017* DATE TBD ? We are seeking bids for the Pentemere 12th Night. Bids should be submitted by the first week of March. ? Site is not yet Booked ? Logistic notes: unlock upper door, near sanctuary. Having the A&S in the back hall made it hard to get to. And there were no signs showing the way. Not much eating area for lunch tavern ? The classroom building across the upper parking lot is part of the site, and has 8 or 9 classrooms. . It could be used for classes, A&S set ups, Vigils?. Can we make it easier to get across the parking lot as well as making it attractive and worth the trip? *Old Business* *Search for Minster of Youth Office* - No one has stepped forward. *Search for Cynnabar Pursuivant** ? *No candidates at this time. *Baronial Trailer* Budget $3500-$3950 Black, 5?x12?x6? single axle covered, lights, hitch kit. ? *The build has been delayed by availability of the siding.* Second half of payment will be $1810. About $390 under budget, allowing us to get the registration. ? *Registration & Insurance:* Kay needs empty weight of trailer, bill of sale, any docs we get, etc. She will get State Registration and send to SCA Inc for insurance. ? Portable Holes to make freestanding places to display banners and other heraldry? *Shall we make a Royal Travel Fund Donation*? Ermenrich 10% of treasury, *about $1000* *1st of 3 Meetings* ? This discussion was delayed from November. ? A Tithe our Treasury, 10% would be a nice medieval amount. ? Perhaps do the gift at Terpsichore? ? Perhaps direct the Gift to a purpose other than Travel Fund if TRMs have a project in mind. Project? New Shade fly? ? Baron & Baroness Cynnabar will find out what is needed or wished for by the Crown. *New Business* None was advanced *Other Group Discussion* How did we like the NEW Center Building, used for Gift Exchange Meeting? ? Not much. Parking was close b dark. No near the bus routes. Hard to get in the door. Only the organizer has the passcode to the door, and has to stand there or people wait in the dark. Even the double room (more than we rented) was small for the 18-20 who came to the meeting. *Hattie:* Can we get a room with a Screen? Kay will email this question, too. *Status check on Approved Budget Items: * *Stickers with the Baronial Populace Badge* (and maybe name?) $60-100 ? Ilse found a cheap place in Dexter, may be worth looking into for the stickers. Gavriil owes a design? *Banker?s File Boxes for storage of Cynnabar Files.* Budget: $100. DONE ? Replaced the 2 drawer cabinet with 3 Office Depot? Brand Stackable File Tote Box, Receipt will go to Exchequer when she ad I can meet. Actual Expense: ? Existing files will be reviewed and critical items scanned for digital files. NO paper will be destroyed at this time. *Shall the Barony donate $250 of Baronial Funds to support 50 Year Celebration in July? *This is for the General Fund of the event, no specific activity. ? *Have we cut a check? *Not yet. ? Some objections to this item having passed were raised. *Announcements:* *Barony of Cynnabar* is a registered Camping Group for 50 Year Celebration. If you decide to register to attend the event and to camp with the Barony use that name. You may want to read the website. It is different from Pennsic in some ways. http://www.sca50year.org/registration.html *Vincent has* designed and built a simple adjustable device for bridging the bleachers and for setting up the Cynnabar Heraldic wall hangings. It will be ready when we need it. *Hoobah*! from Ms Kay! *Words from Their Excellencies Ermenrich and Kasha of Cynnabar**: * Ermenrich speaks. The Baroness was delayed by press of modern business. Most of the news has been covered. It was great to see everyone at 12th Night. Jason will be offered Knighthood at St Valentine?s Day. Genoveva will be offered companionship in the Order of the Laurel at Terpsichore at the Tower. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have a workshop you are interested in teaching or something you'd like to learn about -- please contact Baroness Hannah Schreiber at dawnlsinclair at gmail.com. When: Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:30pm - 7:25pm Eastern Time Where: Center Room, Pierpont Commons, 2101 Bonisteel Blvd, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Calendar: Barony of Cynnabar Who: * dawnlsinclair at gmail.com - creator Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=aDN2amNkNTJvZGcxcGUxbDhqbXBjYjhhdG8gaGhsYjM4cjZnczlkajBnNHNmbjBvZm43bnNAZw Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account barony at cynnabar.org because you are subscribed for notifications on calendar Barony of Cynnabar. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. 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A map showing closest parking lots is available at http://www.cynnabar.org/grandtourney/north-campus-meeting-parking.jpg When: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:30pm - 8:30pm Eastern Time Where: Center Room, Pierpont Commons, 2101 Bonisteel Blvd, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Calendar: Barony of Cynnabar Who: * Carol Perry Lagemann - creator Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=dWEzYnVxY2Q2cm1tYWs1a2J0dm85a2Y2NXNfMjAxNjAxMTlUMDAzMDAwWiBoaGxiMzhyNmdzOWRqMGc0c2ZuMG9mbjduc0Bn Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account barony at cynnabar.org because you are subscribed for notifications on calendar Barony of Cynnabar. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Tue Jan 19 19:50:47 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Cynnabar Seneschal via Barony) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 14:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] 20160118 Barony of Cynnabar Minutes Message-ID: *If you read nothing else, read this! * Our first two workshops were great! Please join us at 6:30 for an interesting topic before each Monday meeting.See the schedule on the Cynnabar website: cynnabar.org/workshops 20160118 Barony of Cynnabar Anno Societatis L Center Room, Pierpont Commons. Workshops 6:30 to 7:15. Meeting 7:30- 8:30. *Workshop Topics:* Tonight was* Developing an Event Bid, by Mistress Giovanna. * ? Our first two workshops were great! Please join us at 6:30 for an interesting topic before each meeting. ? Please tell *Baroness Hannah* if you would like to present a workshop. All topics are of interest. ? We can get a Screen if anyone wishes one for their workshop. It may be possible to get a projector, too. Please discuss with Baroness Hannah. *Jan 25 - Good Books for Medievalists, by Mistress Kay. *A round-table discussion about Society related books. Come with your own favorites on a list or in mind, please. *Feb 8 -* *Middle Eastern Dance Basics with Lady Fatima. *Work on some dances prior to Terp! Learn some basic Middle Eastern dance steps as an introduction to what can be learned at Terpsichore. Dance level (either beginner or more advanced) will be chosen day of class depending on who's in attendance. *Feb 15 - European Dance with Mistress Alina.* Review some of the dances from the Terpsichore ball lists in advance of the event. Dance level (either beginner or more advanced) will be chosen day of class depending on who's in attendance. *Feb 22 Attending Court as a Newcomer.* Attending court for the first time? Get a quick overview on what to do, learn who's who on the dais, and what to do should you be called into the presence. *Activity, Event & Demo Reports* None of those in attendance traveled this past weekend. *Upcoming Baronial Events and Demos* *Terpsichore at the Tower (March 5, 2016)* St Paul United Church of Christ, Saline, MI Ceara is event steward. Budget $1000 1/18/16 CHANGE to $2500 (Final TBD). Break even 84 Adults. 1/18/16 CHANGE to 182 Adults Site Change Planning was our main focus. ? The Crown is coming. St Paul?s Sanctuary and Michigan Avenue Lobby (vigil space) are closed due to renovations. ? Michigan League (lovely ballroom) was booked, as was Liberty School. ? The 1St United Methodist Church of Saline [1200 N Ann Arbor St, Saline, MI 48176] may meet our need for increased space. Ms Claire is seeing it Tuesday for another organization and will let Ceara know if it looks good to her expert eye. Ceara will see the site and make a reservation if it looks suitable. ? Budget was Increased to cover site change: This site will cost us more than St Paul?s Saline. Amount is unclear, between $950 and $2100, depending on how the church charges for classrooms. Ceara will make the best deal [possible. ? St Paul?s fee, if the check is cashed, will be reassigned to St Cecelia Event if church agrees. ? Dinner Potluck was discussed. This may no longer be possible. ? Schedule will have to change due to Their Majesties wishes for Court. The Event team members present seem to be keeping the essentials foremost in scheduling: class times and Ball times are most important. ? Gate Fee Increase to cover costs? No. Fee is up $1 dollar this year. Treasury is fat, this is a normal emergency situation for an event and we can manage it *St. Cecilia at the Tower (Sat April 30- Sun May 1, 2016)* St Paul United Church of Christ, Saline, MI Mistress Jadwiga is event steward. Budget $400. Break even 67 Adults. A few teachers have committed to come. The website is up and beautiful. Discussion of Donations and Non Member Surcharges: Should St Cecelia have a requested donation for site posted? Yes. If any NMS fees are required the event will pay them from returns. Organizers do not want to avoid the fee by not posting a suggestion, and attendees like to know an amount. *Old Business* *Search for Minster of Youth Office* ? No news. *Search for Cynnabar Pursuivant** ? Johannes has had some interest from people he speaks to. He is posting the search to the Barony and on Facebook tonight.* *Grand Day of Tournaments 2016 (Sat Nov 5, 2016)* Liberty School, Ann Arbor Saline Road, Saline, MI ? Event proposals are requested by Monday meeting, January 25 Meeting *Shall we make a Royal Travel Fund Donation*? Ermenrich 10% of treasury, *about $1000* *Tabled until Terpsichore costs are known @ 2nd of 3 Meetings* ? A Tithe our Treasury, 10% would be a nice medieval amount. Perhaps do the gift at Terpsichore? ? The Crown needs: No News *New Business* Archery Marshal for Cynnabar: Lady Godaeth Wisfaest ? Godaeth is a warranted archery marshal. No Questions were posed. General sense of approval from those present. If you wish to comment please come to the 1/25 or 2/8 meetings. ? Godaeth?s Proposal for the office is attached. *Other Group Discussion* *Spring Revel 2016* DATE TBD ? Their Excellencies are soliciting bids for the Spring Revel. Bids due 2/8/16. ? Island Park New Shelter is being HELD for us on Sunday April 17, 2016. o When I give Parks Customer Service Center our Tax number it will be charged as if we were a city resident, $137 for the whole day. o 734.794.6230 *Pentemere 12th Night 2017* DATE TBD ? Bids should be submitted by the first week of March. ? A Site is not yet Booked *Status check on Approved Budget Items: * *Baronial Trailer* Budget $3500-$3950 Black, 5?x12?x6? single axle covered, lights, hitch kit. ? No News ? *The build has been delayed by availability of the siding.* Second half of payment will be $1810. About $390 under budget, allowing us to get the registration. ? *Registration & Insurance:* Kay needs empty weight of trailer, bill of sale, any docs we get, etc. She will get State Registration and send to SCA Inc for insurance. *Stickers with the Baronial Populace Badge* (and maybe name?) $60-100 ? No discussion *Shall the Barony donate $250 of Baronial Funds to support 50 Year Celebration in July? *This is for the General Fund of the event, no specific activity. ? *Have we cut a check? Not Yet* *Announcements:* None *Words from Their Excellencies Ermenrich and Kasha of Cynnabar**: * Please start on Award recommendations for both us and The Crown since there will be Royal Court at Terpsichore. *Proposal: Group Marshal for Archery in Cynnabar: Lady Godaeth Wisfaest* Submitted Monday January 18, 2016 (A. S. L) With the 2016 (A.S. L/LI) archery season on the horizon, enthusiasm is building at Kingdom and Regional levels regarding expanded visibility for target archery and greater opportunities for all of the Populace (at all levels) to participate. Never has there been a better time for the Barony of Cynnabar to share in the glory! --Cynnabar has relatively immediate access to a regionally-recognized, *exclusively SCA* archery resource (Forester Dillon?s range); --Cynnabar enjoys the active participation of local Foresters (primarily Grey and Dillon, but also Padraig from Roaring Wastes, and Liges, Gerard, and Erevon from Stormvale); --Cynnabar has a store of archery equipment including a portable backdrop and targets allowing archery to be staged at local demos etc.; Foresters Grey and Dillon have their own stores of well-maintained loaner archery gear and are experienced beginner-friendly teachers and coaches; --Many members of the Cynnabar Populace are at least casual archers and many have their own archery gear; --Cynnabar will celebrate the first year of its Baronial Archery Champion as of April. A Group Marshal for Archery would collaborate with the Baronial Champion and local Foresters to encourage archery and archery skill improvement among the Populace; assume the SCA, Inc.-required administrative duties, record and submit scores; coordinate notices of practices and archery activities at SCA events; and ?connect? the archers of the Barony to the archers of Pentamere and our Kingdom. I volunteer to be that person. In Service, Godaeth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This could be modern fiction that gets you wishing to be in a medieval setting, or period fiction that puts you into the mindset of those who first read the stories. It can be a nonfiction book you use as a resource or a book of images you find inspire you in your efforts. Everyone should be able to name and describe at least one favorite book in a Round Robin format. I also hope for comparisons of books, and exchange of ideas of what makes a book valuable to you. If this is enjoyable perhaps we can start a Book Club and read a book every month or two, with a discussion at the end of the period. Workshops are held in the same location as the Baronial Business meetings from 6:30 pm until approx 7:20 pm about an hour before the meeting begins. If you have a workshop you are interested in teaching or something you'd like to learn about -- please contact Baroness Hannah Schreiber at dawnlsinclair at gmail.com. When: Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:30pm - 7:20pm Eastern Time Where: Center Room, Pierpont Commons, 2101 Bonisteel Blvd, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Calendar: Barony of Cynnabar Who: * dawnlsinclair at gmail.com - creator Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=dTdycWplbWoxNWwwNDZ0cmFwajVvaWlxa2MgaGhsYjM4cjZnczlkajBnNHNmbjBvZm43bnNAZw Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account barony at cynnabar.org because you are subscribed for notifications on calendar Barony of Cynnabar. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. Learn more at https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A map showing closest parking lots is available at http://www.cynnabar.org/grandtourney/north-campus-meeting-parking.jpg When: Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:30pm - 8:30pm Eastern Time Where: Center Room, Pierpont Commons, 2101 Bonisteel Blvd, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Calendar: Barony of Cynnabar Who: * Carol Perry Lagemann - creator Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=cDN2anB1aWowb2owbnE4MG5vc2dzMmR0amNfMjAxNjAxMjZUMDAzMDAwWiBoaGxiMzhyNmdzOWRqMGc0c2ZuMG9mbjduc0Bn Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account barony at cynnabar.org because you are subscribed for notifications on calendar Barony of Cynnabar. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. 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Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L by admin Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read more of this post *admin * | January 25, 2016 at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar , Events , Official Missives , Seneschal | URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions . *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Tue Jan 26 13:00:13 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Greg Less via Barony) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Fwd: Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mistress Kay - There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden influx of reservations on the first available day. A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. -Gregoire. On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony wrote: > Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your > thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. > > Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have > struggled with date conflicts just this year. > > I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to write > directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. > > Thank you > Kay > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "The Midrealm Gazette" > Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM > Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L > To: > Cc: > > admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is > fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. > Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events > within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" > > New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* > From the Kingdom Seneschal, > February AS L > by > admin > > Let?s talk about event scheduling. > > The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and > thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically > allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom > Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 > miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The > purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help > Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. > Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least > 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under > consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, > concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read > more of this post > > *admin * | January 25, 2016 at > 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar > , Events > , Official > Missives > , > Seneschal > | URL: > http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ > > Unsubscribe > > to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. > Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions > . > > > *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: > > http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in > advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden > influx of reservations on the first available day. > > A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. > > -Gregoire. > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >> >> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >> >> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >> >> Thank you >> Kay >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >> To: >> Cc: >> >> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is >> fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. >> Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events >> within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >> >> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >> From the Kingdom Seneschal, >> February AS L >> by >> admin >> >> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >> >> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and >> thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 01:16:08 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:16:08 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> I agree that this change would not be for the better. Melisant On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: > I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people booking up the calendar ahead of time. > > What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! > > Giovanna > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony wrote: > Mistress Kay - > > There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden influx of reservations on the first available day. > > A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. > > -Gregoire. > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony wrote: > Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. > > Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have struggled with date conflicts just this year. > > I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. > > Thank you > Kay > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "The Midrealm Gazette" > Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM > Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L > To: > Cc: > > New post on The Midrealm Gazette > > > From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L > by admin > Let?s talk about event scheduling. > > The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read more of this post > > admin | January 25, 2016 at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar, Events, Official Missives, Seneschal | URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ > Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. > Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. > > Trouble clicking? 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 12:45:25 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Kay Jarrell via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:45:25 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Fwd: Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gregoire and Giovanna made remarks that caused me to think of this: Can you envision other way that some sort of lottery for dates could level the playing field for new events in the months currently dominated by the "monolithic legacy events?" I would like to see that. A First Date to book the Calendar might require the calendar secretary to evaluate the events asking for the date on MORE than just the distance and whose email was first in her inbox. Would a Kingdom level Event Proposal evaluation system encourage groups in a region to band together to create better events? What if the new Rule included the proviso that a Multi Group proposal for an event would win the date? Perhaps the circle for the 100/ 150 Mile Rule would be drawn from EACH of the groups participating in an event. For example, an event cosponsored by Cynnabar and Red Spears would cover *2 circles,* drawn from the "capital" of each group, regardless of if the event site was between the two baronies. That is a lot of territory. Any thoughts inspired by this? See next message for why I am doing this at all. Kay *Kay Jarrell* 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 kjarrell at gmail.com HOME: 734-913-4053 CELL: 734-645-3175 On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson wrote: > I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people > booking up the calendar ahead of time. > > What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work together > to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff and > hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! > > Giovanna > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony > wrote: > >> Mistress Kay - >> >> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >> influx of reservations on the first available day. >> >> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >> >> -Gregoire. >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>> >>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>> >>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Kay >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> >>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is >>> fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. >>> Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events >>> within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>> >>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>> From the Kingdom Seneschal, >>> February AS L >>> by >>> admin >>> >>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>> >>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read >>> more of this post >>> >>> *admin * | January 25, 2016 >>> at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar >>> , >>> Events , Official >>> Missives >>> , >>> Seneschal >>> | >>> URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ >>> >>> Unsubscribe >>> >>> to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. >>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>> . >>> >>> >>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>> >>> http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 12:50:19 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Kay Jarrell via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: Dear Barony, I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about it? And why to the Baronial list? - First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. - Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a strong core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be considered special interest events by many people. Grand Day of Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique attractors that make it special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in the process by which that decision is made. - Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected for it. Others may want to hear from us. - Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those events, should be heard in this discussion. I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our duty to pass it on. In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. Thank you, Kay *Kay Jarrell* 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 kjarrell at gmail.com HOME: 734-913-4053 CELL: 734-645-3175 On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > I agree that this change would not be for the better. > > Melisant > > > On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: > > I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people > booking up the calendar ahead of time. > > What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work together > to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff and > hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! > > Giovanna > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony > wrote: > >> Mistress Kay - >> >> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >> influx of reservations on the first available day. >> >> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >> >> -Gregoire. >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>> >>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>> >>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Kay >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> >>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is >>> fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. >>> Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events >>> within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>> >>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>> From the Kingdom Seneschal, >>> February AS L >>> by >>> admin >>> >>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>> >>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read >>> more of this post >>> >>> *admin * | January 25, 2016 >>> at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar >>> , >>> Events , Official >>> Missives >>> , >>> Seneschal >>> | >>> URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ >>> >>> Unsubscribe >>> >>> to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. >>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>> . >>> >>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>> >>> http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 13:11:19 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: <2124568748.12299275.1453900279689.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> A couple opinions based on observation: A radius rule impacts interior groups more than those on the coasts. Behavioral rules focus on symptoms rather than problems. A more targetted approach, with the goal of self-regulation, is preferable. Consensus solutions are more robust than edicts (I learned this one in Cynnabar!); Giovanna's suggestion, for example, is the more work/better payoff path to a solution. - dirk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Jarrell via Barony" To: "Melanie Schuessler Bond" Cc: "Barony of Cynnabar" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:50:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L Dear Barony, I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about it? And why to the Baronial list? * First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. * Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a strong core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be considered special interest events by many people. Grand Day of Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique attractors that make it special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in the process by which that decision is made. * Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected for it. Others may want to hear from us. * Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those events, should be heard in this discussion. I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our duty to pass it on. In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. Thank you, Kay Kay Jarrell 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 kjarrell at gmail.com HOME: 734-913-4053 CELL: 734-645-3175 On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote: I agree that this change would not be for the better. Melisant On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote:
I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people booking up the calendar ahead of time. What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! Giovanna On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote:
Mistress Kay - There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden influx of reservations on the first available day. A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. -Gregoire. On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote:
Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have struggled with date conflicts just this year. I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. Thank you Kay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "The Midrealm Gazette" < donotreply at wordpress.com > Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L To: < kjarrell at gmail.com > Cc:
admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" New post on The Midrealm Gazette From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L by admin Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org . Read more of this post admin | January 25, 2016 at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar , Events , Official Missives , Seneschal | URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions . Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ _______________________________________________ Barony mailing list Barony at cynnabar.org http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony
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I would like to see that. > A First Date to book the Calendar might require the calendar secretary to > evaluate the events asking for the date on MORE than just the distance and > whose email was first in her inbox. My suspicion is that if the Calendar Secretary had to choose based on some criteria other than "who claimed the date first", he or she would be *more *inclined, not less, to prefer large legacy events. This might not be a bad thing -- in many cases, it would be more desirable for the large, legacy event to take precedence. For example, we would not want Grand Day of Tournaments to be canceled in favor of (as a random example) our neighbors' Baronial Champions tournament. It seems like many people want to encourage new, creative events in the Kingdom. However, giving the Calendar Secretary *carte blanche* to choose which events he or she liked better, without any direction on how to choose which events, may not be the way to do this. What if we gave the Calendar Secretary directions, though? (In other words, what if the Kingdom had criteria for which events should take precedence?) Kay's next idea deals with this: Would a Kingdom level Event Proposal evaluation system encourage groups in > a region to band together to create better events? > What if the new Rule included the proviso that a Multi Group proposal for > an event would win the date? I hesitate to make this a condition for preference, and here's why: Although inter-group collaboration on events would be a good thing in many ways, this would punish groups who prefer to run their own events without collaboration. Would Cynnabar really be pleased to invite other groups to have control over our events? If we want them to help us, it's only fair to let them make decisions, too -- and we may not like the decisions they make. In conclusion: I don't necessarily think these suggestions are invalid; we just need to think about the implications and make sure we word any advice to the Kingdom very precisely, so as to avoid as many potential negative consequences as possible. Remember: *Whatever rules we ask the Kingdom to create would apply to us also*, so let's be careful. Dirk (in his email at 8:11 am) makes a really good point about behavioral rules being less desirable, and I agree. Let's help the Kingdom come up with a solution to the "too many events on the calendar" problem, but let's be very careful before we legislate what kinds of events are acceptable and which aren't. Maybe the best way to have fewer events *is *to determine which events are "better" than others and to get rid of the ones that don't make the cut... But there may also be other solutions to the problem, and this one makes me nervous. We all know the danger that exists when one person or group gets to decide what kind of fun everyone else is allowed to have. --Kasha On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony wrote: > Gregoire and Giovanna made remarks that caused me to think of this: > > Can you envision other way that some sort of lottery for dates could level > the playing field for new events in the months currently dominated by the > "monolithic legacy events?" I would like to see that. > > A First Date to book the Calendar might require the calendar secretary to > evaluate the events asking for the date on MORE than just the distance and > whose email was first in her inbox. > > Would a Kingdom level Event Proposal evaluation system encourage groups in > a region to band together to create better events? > > What if the new Rule included the proviso that a Multi Group proposal for > an event would win the date? > > Perhaps the circle for the 100/ 150 Mile Rule would be drawn from EACH of > the groups participating in an event. For example, an event cosponsored by > Cynnabar and Red Spears would cover *2 circles,* drawn from the "capital" > of each group, regardless of if the event site was between the two > baronies. That is a lot of territory. > > Any thoughts inspired by this? > See next message for why I am doing this at all. > Kay > > *Kay Jarrell* > > 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 > > kjarrell at gmail.com > > HOME: 734-913-4053 > > CELL: 734-645-3175 > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson > wrote: > >> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people >> booking up the calendar ahead of time. >> >> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work >> together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff >> and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! >> >> Giovanna >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Mistress Kay - >>> >>> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >>> influx of reservations on the first available day. >>> >>> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >>> >>> -Gregoire. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>>> >>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>>> >>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Kay >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>> To: >>>> Cc: >>>> >>>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is >>>> fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. >>>> Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events >>>> within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>>> >>>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>>> From the Kingdom Seneschal, >>>> February AS L >>>> by >>>> admin >>>> >>>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>>> >>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read >>>> more of this post >>>> >>>> *admin * | January 25, 2016 >>>> at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar >>>> , >>>> Events , >>>> Official Missives >>>> , >>>> Seneschal >>>> | >>>> URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> >>>> to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. >>>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>>> >>>> http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Barony mailing list >>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 13:51:10 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:51:10 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: Unto All List Members: I don't exactly understand what recasting this "law" to 150 miles rather than 100 will likely do ... but I do note that according to one mileage calculator, Grand Rapids is 133 miles away, Kalamazoo, 100. Port Huron is 98 ... That's a LOT of Pentamere potential events, in that 150 proposed miles! I don't believe that all events are GOOD events but I *also* think we should have the right to vote with our behavior which events we'll attend. Those events need to conform to a level of "worthiness" to be attended! If the "marketplace" is artificially limited, then to a degree, no one is helped. I'd rather like to know more what's driving this initiative, the primary "stakeholders." In Service, Godaeth On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony wrote: > Dear Barony, > I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about > it? And why to the Baronial list? > > - First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds > consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. > - Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a strong > core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be considered > special interest events by many people. Grand Day of Tournaments is more > of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique attractors that make it > special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested interest in how the decision > about the distance change turns out, and in the process by which that > decision is made. > - Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected > for it. Others may want to hear from us. > - Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, > regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those > events, should be heard in this discussion. > > I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members of > a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. If > we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our duty > to pass it on. > > In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get > your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. > > Thank you, > Kay > > > *Kay Jarrell* > > 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 > > kjarrell at gmail.com > > HOME: 734-913-4053 > > CELL: 734-645-3175 > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> I agree that this change would not be for the better. >> >> Melisant >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: >> >> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people >> booking up the calendar ahead of time. >> >> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work >> together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff >> and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! >> >> Giovanna >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Mistress Kay - >>> >>> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >>> influx of reservations on the first available day. >>> >>> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >>> >>> -Gregoire. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>>> >>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>>> >>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Kay >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>> To: >>>> Cc: >>>> >>>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is >>>> fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. >>>> Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events >>>> within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>>> >>>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>>> From the Kingdom Seneschal, >>>> February AS L >>>> by >>>> admin >>>> >>>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>>> >>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read >>>> more of this post >>>> >>>> *admin * | January 25, 2016 >>>> at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar >>>> , >>>> Events , >>>> Official Missives >>>> , >>>> Seneschal >>>> | >>>> URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> >>>> to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. >>>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>>> . >>>> >>>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>>> >>>> http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Barony mailing list >>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -- Elizabeth Calhoun University of Michigan Law Library Ann Arbor, MI 48109 (734) 764-9330 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 14:18:35 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Greg Less via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:18:35 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the Curia meeting in-person where this was brought up and discussed. The phone connection was poor, at best, so I am unable to currently offer any further insight as to *why* this is being proposed. I can ask for more details though. Thanks, -Gregoire. On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > Unto All List Members: > > I don't exactly understand what recasting this "law" to 150 miles rather > than 100 will likely do ... but I do note that according to one mileage > calculator, Grand Rapids is 133 miles away, Kalamazoo, 100. Port Huron is > 98 ... > > That's a LOT of Pentamere potential events, in that 150 proposed miles! > > I don't believe that all events are GOOD events but I *also* think we > should have the right to vote with our behavior which events we'll attend. > Those events need to conform to a level of "worthiness" to be attended! If > the "marketplace" is artificially limited, then to a degree, no one is > helped. > > I'd rather like to know more what's driving this initiative, the primary > "stakeholders." > > In Service, > > Godaeth > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Dear Barony, >> I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about >> it? And why to the Baronial list? >> >> - First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds >> consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. >> - Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a >> strong core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be >> considered special interest events by many people. Grand Day of >> Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique >> attractors that make it special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested >> interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in >> the process by which that decision is made. >> - Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected >> for it. Others may want to hear from us. >> - Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, >> regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those >> events, should be heard in this discussion. >> >> I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members >> of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. >> If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our >> duty to pass it on. >> >> In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get >> your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. >> >> Thank you, >> Kay >> >> >> *Kay Jarrell* >> >> 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 >> >> kjarrell at gmail.com >> >> HOME: 734-913-4053 >> >> CELL: 734-645-3175 >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> I agree that this change would not be for the better. >>> >>> Melisant >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: >>> >>> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people >>> booking up the calendar ahead of time. >>> >>> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work >>> together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff >>> and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! >>> >>> Giovanna >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < >>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Mistress Kay - >>>> >>>> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >>>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >>>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >>>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >>>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >>>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >>>> influx of reservations on the first available day. >>>> >>>> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >>>> >>>> -Gregoire. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>>>> >>>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>>>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Kay >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>>> To: >>>>> Cc: >>>>> >>>>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom >>>>> is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of >>>>> members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold >>>>> events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>>>> >>>>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>>>> From the Kingdom >>>>> Seneschal, February AS L >>>>> by >>>>> admin >>>>> >>>>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>>>> >>>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>>>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>>>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>>>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>>>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>>>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>>>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>>>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>>>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. Read >>>>> more of this post >>>>> >>>>> *admin * | January 25, 2016 >>>>> at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar >>>>> , >>>>> Events , >>>>> Official Missives >>>>> , >>>>> Seneschal >>>>> | >>>>> URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe >>>>> >>>>> to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. >>>>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Barony mailing list >>>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Barony mailing list >>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> > > > -- > Elizabeth Calhoun > University of Michigan Law Library > Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > (734) 764-9330 > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 14:23:32 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:23:32 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: Sir Gregoire, Well ... from the KSen's statement: "First, many groups hold two or three events each year. Looking at the kingdom calendar, some months have more than 15 events scheduled and more coming. Most groups depend upon the profits of their events to cover the operating costs for things such as list ropes, live weapon targets, meeting sites, feast prep equipment, and more. The overabundance of events is negatively impacting attendance at other events. Ultimately, this can lead to some chapters folding because they simply don?t have the ability to cover operating costs. Second, as a volunteer organization, it can become difficult to stay enthusiastic for multiple major commitments each year." Honestly? It sounds like -- this is my VERY NEGATIVE READ on the statement: "People didn't come to our event because they went somewhere else [within 150 miles] and we lost money. How can we prevent this?" Perhaps I'm very wrong and am not giving enough credit to the real problem. Most Humbly, Godaeth On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Greg Less wrote: > Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the Curia meeting in-person where > this was brought up and discussed. The phone connection was poor, at best, > so I am unable to currently offer any further insight as to *why* this is > being proposed. I can ask for more details though. > > Thanks, > -Gregoire. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Unto All List Members: >> >> I don't exactly understand what recasting this "law" to 150 miles rather >> than 100 will likely do ... but I do note that according to one mileage >> calculator, Grand Rapids is 133 miles away, Kalamazoo, 100. Port Huron is >> 98 ... >> >> That's a LOT of Pentamere potential events, in that 150 proposed miles! >> >> I don't believe that all events are GOOD events but I *also* think we >> should have the right to vote with our behavior which events we'll attend. >> Those events need to conform to a level of "worthiness" to be attended! If >> the "marketplace" is artificially limited, then to a degree, no one is >> helped. >> >> I'd rather like to know more what's driving this initiative, the primary >> "stakeholders." >> >> In Service, >> >> Godaeth >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Dear Barony, >>> I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write >>> about it? And why to the Baronial list? >>> >>> - First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds >>> consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. >>> - Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a >>> strong core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be >>> considered special interest events by many people. Grand Day of >>> Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique >>> attractors that make it special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested >>> interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in >>> the process by which that decision is made. >>> - Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected >>> for it. Others may want to hear from us. >>> - Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful >>> local, regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create >>> those events, should be heard in this discussion. >>> >>> I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members >>> of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. >>> If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our >>> duty to pass it on. >>> >>> In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get >>> your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Kay >>> >>> >>> *Kay Jarrell* >>> >>> 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 >>> >>> kjarrell at gmail.com >>> >>> HOME: 734-913-4053 >>> >>> CELL: 734-645-3175 >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < >>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree that this change would not be for the better. >>>> >>>> Melisant >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people >>>> booking up the calendar ahead of time. >>>> >>>> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work >>>> together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff >>>> and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! >>>> >>>> Giovanna >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < >>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mistress Kay - >>>>> >>>>> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >>>>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >>>>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >>>>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >>>>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >>>>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >>>>> influx of reservations on the first available day. >>>>> >>>>> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >>>>> >>>>> -Gregoire. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >>>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>>>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>>>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>>>>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Kay >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>>>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>>>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Cc: >>>>>> >>>>>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom >>>>>> is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of >>>>>> members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold >>>>>> events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>>>>> >>>>>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>>>>> From the Kingdom >>>>>> Seneschal, February AS L >>>>>> by >>>>>> admin >>>>>> >>>>>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>>>>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>>>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>>>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>>>>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>>>>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>>>>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>>>>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>>>>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>>>>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>>>>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. >>>>>> Read more of this post >>>>>> >>>>>> *admin * | January 25, >>>>>> 2016 at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar >>>>>> , >>>>>> Events >>>>>> , Official >>>>>> Missives >>>>>> , >>>>>> Seneschal >>>>>> | >>>>>> URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ >>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe >>>>>> >>>>>> to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. >>>>>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Barony mailing list >>>>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Barony mailing list >>>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Barony mailing list >>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Barony mailing list >>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Elizabeth Calhoun >> University of Michigan Law Library >> Ann Arbor, MI 48109 >> (734) 764-9330 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> > -- Elizabeth Calhoun University of Michigan Law Library Ann Arbor, MI 48109 (734) 764-9330 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 14:44:32 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Matt Lagemann via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: I agree with Godaeth's statement that we should be able to vote with our feet and our dollars instead of increasing the radius. This proposal also seems to punish smaller events so that larger events can stay solvent. For instance GDoT requires about 150+ attendees to be considered successful, both financially and to live up to the shared vision of that event. St. Cecelia on the other hand really only requires half that amount to do the same thing. So St. C does not need to worry as much about conflicting with other events as GDoT does. And I know we can all think of other events that are so big that they would need double (or more!) of what GDoT needs in order to make money. In my opinion there are too many events out there, and many of them are not worth going to even though they are within the 100 -150 mile range. I think what groups need to do is figure out how they can make their event more attractive to those around them (offering crash space to entice farther travel, build up hype for the event, have an updated website well before the event, being something unique, have a budget more in line with event attendance, etc) instead of relying on Kingdom law to make them the only game in town. Sincerely, Ermenrich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 14:57:17 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Anne Stevenson via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:57:17 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Despite the narrow focus of some of our events, however - I would hesitate to have nearby events which could draw away potential attendees. I think we always want to make our events successful, and give the most amount of people the opportunity to attend. As Pentamere Seneschal, I tried to work with all of my local Seneschals to be very respectful of the calendar. Despite the 100 mile rule, I always recommended trying to make the radius larger, if possible. Encouraging local groups to attend together events, to make all of our Region's events successful. I often feel that many of the local group just have too many events in general. Some end up being under-staffed, and I often hear pleads for help with filling up class slots, gate workers, etc. Which makes me think that some of these events in general need to be reconsidered to see if they are still viable. I would much rather see less events on the calendar that are of high-quality, than a bunch of smaller events for the sake of running events. But this may take a great deal of sitting at the table with Seneschals and Baron/Baronesses within a Region to make this happen.... Just some random thoughts! Giovanna On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Linda Duvall via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > It would seem that specialty events like Terp and St. Cecelia would not > need a mile-limit as their focus is so narrow that they would not compete > with a regular event even if it was close to us. > > Re some groups had to fold because they didn't make money at their event: > which groups? Where? When? What events? I find it hard to believe that > groups folded based on one event. Most groups fold due to personality > clashes and factions. > > If there are several groups in close proximity to each other (Chicago, SE > Michigan) then Giovanna's idea of working together makes sense. > > I hate to make broad changes in rules when it is only a problem for > specific groups/ areas. > > Random thoughts, > Claire > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 15:21:47 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Kay Jarrell via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: I have posted to the Seneschal Facebook group lookin for the answers to the following questions: Why is this change under discussion? What problem does it attempt to solve? I will pass on any information that clarifies the needs behind the idea. Kay On Jan 27, 2016 9:44 AM, "Matt Lagemann via Barony" wrote: > I agree with Godaeth's statement that we should be able to vote with our > feet and our dollars instead of increasing the radius. > > This proposal also seems to punish smaller events so that larger events > can stay solvent. For instance GDoT requires about 150+ attendees to be > considered successful, both financially and to live up to the shared vision > of that event. St. Cecelia on the other hand really only requires half > that amount to do the same thing. So St. C does not need to worry as much > about conflicting with other events as GDoT does. And I know we can all > think of other events that are so big that they would need double (or > more!) of what GDoT needs in order to make money. > > In my opinion there are too many events out there, and many of them are > not worth going to even though they are within the 100 -150 mile range. I > think what groups need to do is figure out how they can make their event > more attractive to those around them (offering crash space to entice > farther travel, build up hype for the event, have an updated website well > before the event, being something unique, have a budget more in line with > event attendance, etc) instead of relying on Kingdom law to make them the > only game in town. > > Sincerely, > Ermenrich > > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 15:34:23 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Johnna Holloway via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:34:23 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Are there really too many events? The big events are well known and they calendar at roughly the same time each year. Maidens is in January. Twelfth Nights come before. Valentine's Day is February 14th and Sometime near that date, there will be held a massacre. The border wars, baroness wars, interkingdom raids, crossings, PW practices, etc. follow along in the good weather. (The established big events offer the intrinsic combinations of shopping, fighting, seminars, and good company; think about why you attend and plan months out to attend certain events.) We also know roughly when the Coronations and Crowns, Gulf War, and Pennsic will be. Larger and legacy events are already regional efforts or even kingdom efforts. We just don't see the work of the many individuals which step up to work for the event. Be they in the kitchen, on the field as extra marshals for archery, youth, retainers, etc. outside people always work those events. We just don't always recognize those efforts. Kingdom A&S always relies on as many as 60-80 extra people who come to judge and tally. The basic factors haven't changed. Whether or not someone or a family attends any event depends in large part on costs, distance, and advance PR. Will the Crown be present? Are their friends or household meeting up at the event? What activities draw people? Will people travel more this summer since the price of gas is down? Or will smaller events suffer because they are competing with SCA50 Year in June? Do we have actual survey information as to who attends what and why? What are the factors? If the choice is between two events, why one and not another? How far will they drive for a day trip? Do events that actively post on Facebook and social media draw more people these days? With all the specialist events these days, it doesn't seem to me the rule needs to change. The dance event does not draw the same audience as the rapier event 101 miles away in a different state. If they were 40 miles away, they still wouldn't draw the same audience. The heraldry event will not interest the families with children who are into youth combat. If you are heading to SCA50 Year, you may not attend Pennsic this year and you may skip Crown. Should we worry about that? Johnnae From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 15:56:32 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Greg Less via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi All- I sent the following to Curia: * There is currently some healthy discussion happening in Cynnabar about the proposed change to the 100 mile rule. I know it was brought up at the last Curia meeting and discussed there, but I was unfortunately unable to hear all of the details. * * It's been asked "What's driving the initiative? Who are the primary stakeholders [for the change to a 150 mile radius]?" * * Can anyone clarify that for me?* And the reply from the Kingdom Seneschal: *Honestly, event attendance is being cannibalized due to too many events on the calendar being too close together. It is impacting smaller groups to the point that some have very small allotments for operational costs because of little to no profit for their events.Stakeholders are smaller groups that are getting tromped by larger groups (baronies mostly) having a more than two events annually.One of the other things that we started talking about were "minor kingdom events" being bid in advance too. TOC, Rose Tourney, RUM, Regional A&S, etc having a more defined and regular time frame so they can be tacked on to an existing event bid, well in advance, so other groups in the area avoid the date. That is just beginning to coalesce and will take a lot more hashing out to make it feasible. If smaller groups can take some of those "minor" events, then it can be growth opportunities for the group.* Thanks, -Gregoire. On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Johnna Holloway via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > Are there really too many events? > > The big events are well known and they calendar > at roughly the same time each year. Maidens is in January. Twelfth Nights > come before. > Valentine's Day is February 14th and Sometime near that date, there will > be held a massacre. > The border wars, baroness wars, interkingdom raids, crossings, PW > practices, etc. follow along > in the good weather. (The established big events offer the intrinsic > combinations of shopping, fighting, seminars, > and good company; think about why you attend and plan months out to attend > certain events.) > We also know roughly when the Coronations and Crowns, Gulf War, and > Pennsic will be. > Larger and legacy events are already regional efforts or even kingdom > efforts. We just don't see the work of the many individuals > which step up to work for the event. Be they in the kitchen, on the field > as extra marshals for archery, youth, retainers, etc. outside people always > work those events. We just don't always recognize those efforts. > Kingdom A&S always relies on as many as 60-80 extra people who come to > judge and tally. > > The basic factors haven't changed. Whether or not someone > or a family attends any event depends in large part on costs, distance, > and advance PR. Will the > Crown be present? Are their friends or household meeting up at the event? > What activities draw people? > Will people travel more this summer since the price of gas is down? Or > will smaller events suffer because > they are competing with SCA50 Year in June? > Do we have actual survey information as to who attends what and why? What > are the factors? > If the choice is between two events, why one and not another? > How far will they drive for a day trip? Do events that actively post on > Facebook and social media > draw more people these days? > > With all the specialist events these days, it doesn't seem to me the rule > needs to change. > The dance event does not draw the same audience as the rapier event 101 > miles away in a > different state. If they were 40 miles away, they still wouldn't draw the > same audience. > The heraldry event will not interest the families with children who are > into youth combat. > If you are heading to SCA50 Year, you may not attend Pennsic this year and > you may skip Crown. > Should we worry about that? > > Johnnae > > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 16:07:03 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Matt Lagemann via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:07:03 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: With that in mind the people who decide where those "minor kingdom events" are being held may want to encourage smaller groups to hold those events as a way to make some money. Another possibility is to encourage larger groups to have smaller groups take over some small aspect of the event that can generate money. I have seen shires and cantons run the lunch tavern and/or feast and keep the proceeds to help fill their coffers. On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Greg Less via Barony wrote: > Hi All- > > I sent the following to Curia: > > > * There is currently some healthy discussion happening in Cynnabar about > the proposed change to the 100 mile rule. I know it was brought up at the > last Curia meeting and discussed there, but I was unfortunately unable to > hear all of the details. * > > * It's been asked "What's driving the initiative? Who are the primary > stakeholders [for the change to a 150 mile radius]?" * > > * Can anyone clarify that for me?* > > > And the reply from the Kingdom Seneschal: > > > > > > *Honestly, event attendance is being cannibalized due to too many events > on the calendar being too close together. It is impacting smaller groups > to the point that some have very small allotments for operational costs > because of little to no profit for their events.Stakeholders are smaller > groups that are getting tromped by larger groups (baronies mostly) having a > more than two events annually.One of the other things that we started > talking about were "minor kingdom events" being bid in advance too. TOC, > Rose Tourney, RUM, Regional A&S, etc having a more defined and regular time > frame so they can be tacked on to an existing event bid, well in advance, > so other groups in the area avoid the date. That is just beginning to > coalesce and will take a lot more hashing out to make it feasible. If > smaller groups can take some of those "minor" events, then it can be growth > opportunities for the group.* > > > > > Thanks, > -Gregoire. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Johnna Holloway via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Are there really too many events? >> >> The big events are well known and they calendar >> at roughly the same time each year. Maidens is in January. Twelfth Nights >> come before. >> Valentine's Day is February 14th and Sometime near that date, there will >> be held a massacre. >> The border wars, baroness wars, interkingdom raids, crossings, PW >> practices, etc. follow along >> in the good weather. (The established big events offer the intrinsic >> combinations of shopping, fighting, seminars, >> and good company; think about why you attend and plan months out to >> attend certain events.) >> We also know roughly when the Coronations and Crowns, Gulf War, and >> Pennsic will be. >> Larger and legacy events are already regional efforts or even kingdom >> efforts. We just don't see the work of the many individuals >> which step up to work for the event. Be they in the kitchen, on the field >> as extra marshals for archery, youth, retainers, etc. outside people always >> work those events. We just don't always recognize those efforts. >> Kingdom A&S always relies on as many as 60-80 extra people who come to >> judge and tally. >> >> The basic factors haven't changed. Whether or not someone >> or a family attends any event depends in large part on costs, distance, >> and advance PR. Will the >> Crown be present? Are their friends or household meeting up at the event? >> What activities draw people? >> Will people travel more this summer since the price of gas is down? Or >> will smaller events suffer because >> they are competing with SCA50 Year in June? >> Do we have actual survey information as to who attends what and why? What >> are the factors? >> If the choice is between two events, why one and not another? >> How far will they drive for a day trip? Do events that actively post on >> Facebook and social media >> draw more people these days? >> >> With all the specialist events these days, it doesn't seem to me the rule >> needs to change. >> The dance event does not draw the same audience as the rapier event 101 >> miles away in a >> different state. 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 16:08:40 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:08:40 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Sir Gregoire thank you -- I'm afraid that I am saying exactly the OPPOSITE of what I mean, then: I fear that this rule change will work *against* smaller groups, not in their favor. If Three Walls -- 106.9 miles away -- wants to have "I Shot the Norman" on the Saturday of GDoT, an archery event (let's say), then a *fighters event* "gets to" squash that. IF Three Walls gets the bid in first :) then a long-standing fighters' event gets squashed (theoretically). Will the 150 GDoT fighters go there instead? Is Three Walls obligated to have fighting? BUT there's no reason to not have both. And should the archery event not pull the archers who are fighting at GDoT, well ... then that's THEIR choice to fight. And yes, Three Walls might not get that attendance. But forbidding GDoT does not ensure success for IStN. On a weekly basis I am confronted with the choices of adult life: work, aging-parent concerns, my own predilection to not be a courageous highway driver, etc. THAT is more likely to have primary say in whether or no I attend an event. I am much more likely to attend something at a 50-mile location than at a 150-mile location, knowing that I can, comfortably and safely, day-trip it. But that's me and my preferences and priorities: I would not make a rule that would so impose my conditions on others. I still think I'm missing something. Thank you all! --Godaeth On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Greg Less via Barony wrote: > Hi All- > > I sent the following to Curia: > > > * There is currently some healthy discussion happening in Cynnabar about > the proposed change to the 100 mile rule. I know it was brought up at the > last Curia meeting and discussed there, but I was unfortunately unable to > hear all of the details. * > > * It's been asked "What's driving the initiative? Who are the primary > stakeholders [for the change to a 150 mile radius]?" * > > * Can anyone clarify that for me?* > > > And the reply from the Kingdom Seneschal: > > > > > > *Honestly, event attendance is being cannibalized due to too many events > on the calendar being too close together. It is impacting smaller groups > to the point that some have very small allotments for operational costs > because of little to no profit for their events.Stakeholders are smaller > groups that are getting tromped by larger groups (baronies mostly) having a > more than two events annually.One of the other things that we started > talking about were "minor kingdom events" being bid in advance too. TOC, > Rose Tourney, RUM, Regional A&S, etc having a more defined and regular time > frame so they can be tacked on to an existing event bid, well in advance, > so other groups in the area avoid the date. That is just beginning to > coalesce and will take a lot more hashing out to make it feasible. If > smaller groups can take some of those "minor" events, then it can be growth > opportunities for the group.* > > > > > Thanks, > -Gregoire. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Johnna Holloway via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Are there really too many events? >> >> The big events are well known and they calendar >> at roughly the same time each year. Maidens is in January. Twelfth Nights >> come before. >> Valentine's Day is February 14th and Sometime near that date, there will >> be held a massacre. >> The border wars, baroness wars, interkingdom raids, crossings, PW >> practices, etc. follow along >> in the good weather. (The established big events offer the intrinsic >> combinations of shopping, fighting, seminars, >> and good company; think about why you attend and plan months out to >> attend certain events.) >> We also know roughly when the Coronations and Crowns, Gulf War, and >> Pennsic will be. >> Larger and legacy events are already regional efforts or even kingdom >> efforts. We just don't see the work of the many individuals >> which step up to work for the event. Be they in the kitchen, on the field >> as extra marshals for archery, youth, retainers, etc. outside people always >> work those events. We just don't always recognize those efforts. >> Kingdom A&S always relies on as many as 60-80 extra people who come to >> judge and tally. >> >> The basic factors haven't changed. Whether or not someone >> or a family attends any event depends in large part on costs, distance, >> and advance PR. Will the >> Crown be present? Are their friends or household meeting up at the event? >> What activities draw people? >> Will people travel more this summer since the price of gas is down? Or >> will smaller events suffer because >> they are competing with SCA50 Year in June? >> Do we have actual survey information as to who attends what and why? What >> are the factors? >> If the choice is between two events, why one and not another? >> How far will they drive for a day trip? Do events that actively post on >> Facebook and social media >> draw more people these days? >> >> With all the specialist events these days, it doesn't seem to me the rule >> needs to change. >> The dance event does not draw the same audience as the rapier event 101 >> miles away in a >> different state. 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 17:02:46 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Kell Carnahan via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:02:46 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Some thoughts: Initially, I tend to agree with Godaeth and Ermenrich's position that we can vote with our feet, instead of more rules. If we want fewer, but still quality, events, then having teensy tiny groups running small events doesn't seem like the way to make that happen. Not that small groups *can't* run great events, but they have less manpower, and I imagine less experience, to be able to pull it off in a way that keeps people coming back and make it profitable. This could be way wrong, though. Tiny SCA groups should be able to exist. Being able to have regular fight practices and A&S meetings and the regular lifeblood of our hobby nearby, in your town, is important, because I wouldn't want to drive an hour or more on a weeknight regularly to have to get to these things. But these things can also cost money: to keep up a website, to keep up loaner gear, etc. So small groups need a way to pull in some funds. The main way we have right now to get money is events. Small groups need money, but I'm hearing they have a harder time running events that are profitable. *Maybe what we need to be discussing, instead of more rules restricting events, are other ways for small groups to have access to funds. This seems to be the sticking point coming up in these arguments.* Access to funds other than running your own event: - Like someone mentioned: running a lunch tavern or other money-making thing within a larger event - Perhaps there should be a new fund created? Like the Kingdom Travel Fund and such? A kingdom or region level fund that small groups can apply to for the funds they need to keep up their loaner gear and website and other things? Question: How much money are these small groups needing to be able to run effectively and keep the dream alive in their area? Could they be carried by occasional funds given to them through a Kingdom Small Group Fund, donated to by larger groups? Is it not in everyone's best interest to do this? I have no idea what kind of money problems we're talking about here, having never been an Exchequer or Autocrat or paid close attention to how much money is needed outside of events, just for the regular running of a group. But this seems to be a legitimate issue coming up in these discussions, so I'm pointing attention towards it. ~Bikre On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > Sir Gregoire thank you -- > > I'm afraid that I am saying exactly the OPPOSITE of what I mean, then: > > I fear that this rule change will work *against* smaller groups, not in > their favor. If Three Walls -- 106.9 miles away -- wants to have "I Shot > the Norman" on the Saturday of GDoT, an archery event (let's say), then a > *fighters event* "gets to" squash that. > > IF Three Walls gets the bid in first :) then a long-standing fighters' > event gets squashed (theoretically). Will the 150 GDoT fighters go there > instead? Is Three Walls obligated to have fighting? BUT there's no > reason to not have both. And should the archery event not pull the archers > who are fighting at GDoT, well ... then that's THEIR choice to fight. > And yes, Three Walls might not get that attendance. But forbidding GDoT > does not ensure success for IStN. > > On a weekly basis I am confronted with the choices of adult life: work, > aging-parent concerns, my own predilection to not be a courageous highway > driver, etc. THAT is more likely to have primary say in whether or no I > attend an event. I am much more likely to attend something at a 50-mile > location than at a 150-mile location, knowing that I can, comfortably and > safely, day-trip it. But that's me and my preferences and priorities: I > would not make a rule that would so impose my conditions on others. > > I still think I'm missing something. > > Thank you all! > > --Godaeth > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Greg Less via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Hi All- >> >> I sent the following to Curia: >> >> >> * There is currently some healthy discussion happening in Cynnabar >> about the proposed change to the 100 mile rule. I know it was brought up at >> the last Curia meeting and discussed there, but I was unfortunately unable >> to hear all of the details. * >> >> * It's been asked "What's driving the initiative? Who are the primary >> stakeholders [for the change to a 150 mile radius]?" * >> >> * Can anyone clarify that for me?* >> >> >> And the reply from the Kingdom Seneschal: >> >> >> >> >> >> *Honestly, event attendance is being cannibalized due to too many events >> on the calendar being too close together. It is impacting smaller groups >> to the point that some have very small allotments for operational costs >> because of little to no profit for their events.Stakeholders are smaller >> groups that are getting tromped by larger groups (baronies mostly) having a >> more than two events annually.One of the other things that we started >> talking about were "minor kingdom events" being bid in advance too. TOC, >> Rose Tourney, RUM, Regional A&S, etc having a more defined and regular time >> frame so they can be tacked on to an existing event bid, well in advance, >> so other groups in the area avoid the date. That is just beginning to >> coalesce and will take a lot more hashing out to make it feasible. If >> smaller groups can take some of those "minor" events, then it can be growth >> opportunities for the group.* >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> -Gregoire. >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Johnna Holloway via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Are there really too many events? >>> >>> The big events are well known and they calendar >>> at roughly the same time each year. Maidens is in January. Twelfth >>> Nights come before. >>> Valentine's Day is February 14th and Sometime near that date, there will >>> be held a massacre. >>> The border wars, baroness wars, interkingdom raids, crossings, PW >>> practices, etc. follow along >>> in the good weather. (The established big events offer the intrinsic >>> combinations of shopping, fighting, seminars, >>> and good company; think about why you attend and plan months out to >>> attend certain events.) >>> We also know roughly when the Coronations and Crowns, Gulf War, and >>> Pennsic will be. >>> Larger and legacy events are already regional efforts or even kingdom >>> efforts. We just don't see the work of the many individuals >>> which step up to work for the event. Be they in the kitchen, on the >>> field as extra marshals for archery, youth, retainers, etc. outside people >>> always work those events. We just don't always recognize those efforts. >>> Kingdom A&S always relies on as many as 60-80 extra people who come to >>> judge and tally. >>> >>> The basic factors haven't changed. Whether or not someone >>> or a family attends any event depends in large part on costs, distance, >>> and advance PR. Will the >>> Crown be present? Are their friends or household meeting up at the >>> event? What activities draw people? >>> Will people travel more this summer since the price of gas is down? Or >>> will smaller events suffer because >>> they are competing with SCA50 Year in June? >>> Do we have actual survey information as to who attends what and why? >>> What are the factors? >>> If the choice is between two events, why one and not another? >>> How far will they drive for a day trip? Do events that actively post on >>> Facebook and social media >>> draw more people these days? >>> >>> With all the specialist events these days, it doesn't seem to me the >>> rule needs to change. >>> The dance event does not draw the same audience as the rapier event 101 >>> miles away in a >>> different state. If they were 40 miles away, they still wouldn't draw >>> the same audience. >>> The heraldry event will not interest the families with children who are >>> into youth combat. >>> If you are heading to SCA50 Year, you may not attend Pennsic this year >>> and you may skip Crown. >>> Should we worry about that? >>> >>> Johnnae >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> > > > -- > Elizabeth Calhoun > University of Michigan Law Library > Ann Arbor, MI 48109 > (734) 764-9330 > > _______________________________________________ > Barony mailing list > Barony at cynnabar.org > http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 17:16:51 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:16:51 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Lady Birke -- THANK YOU! Yes. I would like to add: this is a sword hanging over *all* of our heads: Costs for sites + insurance + etc. are always going up. In Cynnabar, for GDoT, we have had the luxury of Liberty School in the past ... but how far into the future? It is possible that in fact, *smaller groups* might have access to more "leverage-able" facilities than bigger and thus presumably more well-to-do branches. You can only rent what's available no matter HOW SUCCESSFUL your last big event was. And there are *external* "competitors" as well, calendar/venue-wise. Thank you! --Godaeth On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Kell Carnahan wrote: > Some thoughts: > > Initially, I tend to agree with Godaeth and Ermenrich's position that we > can vote with our feet, instead of more rules. > > If we want fewer, but still quality, events, then having teensy tiny > groups running small events doesn't seem like the way to make that happen. > Not that small groups *can't* run great events, but they have less > manpower, and I imagine less experience, to be able to pull it off in a way > that keeps people coming back and make it profitable. This could be way > wrong, though. > > Tiny SCA groups should be able to exist. Being able to have regular fight > practices and A&S meetings and the regular lifeblood of our hobby nearby, > in your town, is important, because I wouldn't want to drive an hour or > more on a weeknight regularly to have to get to these things. But these > things can also cost money: to keep up a website, to keep up loaner gear, > etc. So small groups need a way to pull in some funds. > > The main way we have right now to get money is events. Small groups need > money, but I'm hearing they have a harder time running events that are > profitable. *Maybe what we need to be discussing, instead of more rules > restricting events, are other ways for small groups to have access to > funds. This seems to be the sticking point coming up in these arguments.* > > Access to funds other than running your own event: > - Like someone mentioned: running a lunch tavern or other money-making > thing within a larger event > - Perhaps there should be a new fund created? Like the Kingdom Travel > Fund and such? A kingdom or region level fund that small groups can apply > to for the funds they need to keep up their loaner gear and website and > other things? > > Question: How much money are these small groups needing to be able to run > effectively and keep the dream alive in their area? Could they be carried > by occasional funds given to them through a Kingdom Small Group Fund, > donated to by larger groups? Is it not in everyone's best interest to do > this? > > I have no idea what kind of money problems we're talking about here, > having never been an Exchequer or Autocrat or paid close attention to how > much money is needed outside of events, just for the regular running of a > group. But this seems to be a legitimate issue coming up in these > discussions, so I'm pointing attention towards it. > > ~Bikre > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Sir Gregoire thank you -- >> >> I'm afraid that I am saying exactly the OPPOSITE of what I mean, then: >> >> I fear that this rule change will work *against* smaller groups, not in >> their favor. If Three Walls -- 106.9 miles away -- wants to have "I Shot >> the Norman" on the Saturday of GDoT, an archery event (let's say), then a >> *fighters event* "gets to" squash that. >> >> IF Three Walls gets the bid in first :) then a long-standing fighters' >> event gets squashed (theoretically). Will the 150 GDoT fighters go there >> instead? Is Three Walls obligated to have fighting? BUT there's no >> reason to not have both. And should the archery event not pull the archers >> who are fighting at GDoT, well ... then that's THEIR choice to fight. >> And yes, Three Walls might not get that attendance. But forbidding GDoT >> does not ensure success for IStN. >> >> On a weekly basis I am confronted with the choices of adult life: work, >> aging-parent concerns, my own predilection to not be a courageous highway >> driver, etc. THAT is more likely to have primary say in whether or no I >> attend an event. I am much more likely to attend something at a 50-mile >> location than at a 150-mile location, knowing that I can, comfortably and >> safely, day-trip it. But that's me and my preferences and priorities: I >> would not make a rule that would so impose my conditions on others. >> >> I still think I'm missing something. >> >> Thank you all! >> >> --Godaeth >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Greg Less via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi All- >>> >>> I sent the following to Curia: >>> >>> >>> * There is currently some healthy discussion happening in Cynnabar >>> about the proposed change to the 100 mile rule. I know it was brought up at >>> the last Curia meeting and discussed there, but I was unfortunately unable >>> to hear all of the details. * >>> >>> * It's been asked "What's driving the initiative? Who are the primary >>> stakeholders [for the change to a 150 mile radius]?" * >>> >>> * Can anyone clarify that for me?* >>> >>> >>> And the reply from the Kingdom Seneschal: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Honestly, event attendance is being cannibalized due to too many events >>> on the calendar being too close together. It is impacting smaller groups >>> to the point that some have very small allotments for operational costs >>> because of little to no profit for their events.Stakeholders are smaller >>> groups that are getting tromped by larger groups (baronies mostly) having a >>> more than two events annually.One of the other things that we started >>> talking about were "minor kingdom events" being bid in advance too. TOC, >>> Rose Tourney, RUM, Regional A&S, etc having a more defined and regular time >>> frame so they can be tacked on to an existing event bid, well in advance, >>> so other groups in the area avoid the date. That is just beginning to >>> coalesce and will take a lot more hashing out to make it feasible. If >>> smaller groups can take some of those "minor" events, then it can be growth >>> opportunities for the group.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Gregoire. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Johnna Holloway via Barony < >>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Are there really too many events? >>>> >>>> The big events are well known and they calendar >>>> at roughly the same time each year. Maidens is in January. Twelfth >>>> Nights come before. >>>> Valentine's Day is February 14th and Sometime near that date, there >>>> will be held a massacre. >>>> The border wars, baroness wars, interkingdom raids, crossings, PW >>>> practices, etc. follow along >>>> in the good weather. (The established big events offer the intrinsic >>>> combinations of shopping, fighting, seminars, >>>> and good company; think about why you attend and plan months out to >>>> attend certain events.) >>>> We also know roughly when the Coronations and Crowns, Gulf War, and >>>> Pennsic will be. >>>> Larger and legacy events are already regional efforts or even kingdom >>>> efforts. We just don't see the work of the many individuals >>>> which step up to work for the event. Be they in the kitchen, on the >>>> field as extra marshals for archery, youth, retainers, etc. outside people >>>> always work those events. We just don't always recognize those efforts. >>>> Kingdom A&S always relies on as many as 60-80 extra people who come to >>>> judge and tally. >>>> >>>> The basic factors haven't changed. Whether or not someone >>>> or a family attends any event depends in large part on costs, distance, >>>> and advance PR. Will the >>>> Crown be present? Are their friends or household meeting up at the >>>> event? What activities draw people? >>>> Will people travel more this summer since the price of gas is down? Or >>>> will smaller events suffer because >>>> they are competing with SCA50 Year in June? >>>> Do we have actual survey information as to who attends what and why? >>>> What are the factors? >>>> If the choice is between two events, why one and not another? >>>> How far will they drive for a day trip? Do events that actively post on >>>> Facebook and social media >>>> draw more people these days? >>>> >>>> With all the specialist events these days, it doesn't seem to me the >>>> rule needs to change. >>>> The dance event does not draw the same audience as the rapier event 101 >>>> miles away in a >>>> different state. If they were 40 miles away, they still wouldn't draw >>>> the same audience. >>>> The heraldry event will not interest the families with children who are >>>> into youth combat. >>>> If you are heading to SCA50 Year, you may not attend Pennsic this year >>>> and you may skip Crown. >>>> Should we worry about that? >>>> >>>> Johnnae >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Barony mailing list >>>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barony mailing list >>> Barony at cynnabar.org >>> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Elizabeth Calhoun >> University of Michigan Law Library >> Ann Arbor, MI 48109 >> (734) 764-9330 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barony mailing list >> Barony at cynnabar.org >> http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony >> >> > -- Elizabeth Calhoun University of Michigan Law Library Ann Arbor, MI 48109 (734) 764-9330 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 17:34:31 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Randy Asplund via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> Message-ID: <532527561.10007437.1453916071827.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Hello all, First, if I cover some thoughts othesr already expressed, it is because I am a slow typist and not because I'm claiming your ideas. Took me a while to write this up. The question is about whether the radius that events are allowed to hold competing events within ought to be increased. I think that is the wrong question. The radius rule is a band-aide, not a solution. It should not be about radius alone because: Right to hold at least one event per year: I strongly feel that every group needs to be allowed to hold a successful event each year because it is the point of the SCA and because holding events is an essential tool for a group has to raise working capital. As the number of groups increases, there is more competition during the year for specific dates, and there are dates which are far more feasible than others inside a radius. Young groups need to be able to hold events in order to learn and to grow. Screwing them because they couldn't get a date within a certain radius is counter productive. I feel that the large "Super Events" such as Crown, Coronation, Val Day, TOC, Baron Wars, etc. draw from such a wide distance that they impact concurrent events well beyond the radius, and in fact across the whole kingdom. Super Events can be enormous, expensive events which require a lot of capitol and attendance fees in order to host them, such as Val Day. If they do not get enough attendance due to competing events, they may not be able to pay for the large site, and may even have serious financial distress. On the other hand, if there is a competing event the same day almost ANYWHERE in the kingdom, the radius rule is ineffectual and doesn't protect any events. Anybody holding an event on that day will likely be impacted to some degree. The more super events we have that take up the calendar, the worse this problem will get, and smaller events will suffer. Combining small events to make Super Events doesn't seem to be the answer. I once thought it logical, but I see drawbacks. Yes, there are many good aspects, such as everyone can come and find something to do. Combining all fighting types, maybe archery, maybe studio arts, music, A&S displays, classes, far more merchants than at a small event, etc. is very convenient. But you usually have to choose which activities to do. Its hard to fight a tourney and break away to take a class when the local A&S event gets rolled into a Super Event. You would have been able to take that class if it had been on its own weekend. Also, combining events means extra long travel for organizers and volunteers, less face to face communication for them, co-sponsoring groups may be limited by members of "less efficient" or less experienced groups, and the financial and other resources have to be distributed in agreement. Those resources are at risk, but the responsibility is divided. A radius rule cannot help but be biased. Some groups are far away from other groups while others are in dense SCA population areas. One might expect that a remote group's survival would be linked to whether their event drew enough people for success, while a group in a densely populated area would be quite able to draw enough people for a theme focus event the same weekend as another group held an event nearby. Groups close to geographic boundaries like the great lakes, international and SCA Kingdom borders, or groups within the radius but where actual driving routes mean longer travel skew the usefulness of the radius rule. The usefulness of the radius rule also fluctuates with the price of gas, which affects the travel plans of many potential attendees. The available days on the calendar are limited. Super Events of the kingdom such as Crown, Coronation 12th Nights and TOC, or Pennsic, or Val Day, Baron Wars, etc. all chew up dates. Holidays take more, and even home sporting events have an impact where many groups are centered in university towns. Use of Fairground sites and other larger venues for fighting events is in competition with mundane groups. Churches also have weddings competing with us. Squeezing in events around all of this is a nightmare of scheduling which gets worse when it becomes a matter of "first come, first served" getting the calendar slot. In an area with a lot of groups close to each other these things make competition for weekends very hard. Is "first come, first served" a fair way to decide? Obviously, it was intended that way, but I think it creates a different unfairness. Not getting your event on the calendar can be a financial setback or even disaster for some groups. And while it is a whole group trying to survive and hold an event, usually the task of getting onto the calendar is up to one person. If because of lack of experience, or some other reason like unavailability of a site to book causes the group to lose a calendar date to another group who had more convenient logistics, that's unfair. Having an event close by on the same day will impact some events financially by reducing attendance, but that is NOT ALWAYS TRUE. There are events of different natures which can use nearby sites without impacting each other very significantly. There may be a way to allow close events of different natures. For example, if two groups wished to host an event on the same day and somewhat near each other, they could work out between them whether they felt they would have the attendance numbers to work with their site. Also, is it fair if a group in that position can't hold their only event of the year when some other group schedules their third event? I say it is not. When groups are fighting to get one event on the calendar, it is not cool for other groups to get a selfish share of the calendar at another group's expense, regardless of who was first. But what if the group holding several events during the year throws REALLY good events? Isn't it important that those events be allowed to happen? Is it MORE important that such "worthy" events are held than the needs of the competing group who's event is likely a lesser draw anyway? No, it isn't MORE important. But it IS important that both groups are able to pull off their events. All effort should be made to ensure that a group gets to hold at least one event during the year if they wish. That ought to be a given. There are ways to work it out. As for how it is worked out, that depends on what the SCA gets out of the other collection of events held by the other group. For example, if one group holds three similar fighting events, it would be selfish and wrong to prevent another group from holding their one event. But if the first group holds several smaller theme specific events which have a vital SCA value and are bringing in people from across the kingdom, there needs to be a way to hold those events too, and without impacting the single-event holding group. The solution to that seems to be allowing the events to happen within the radius, regardless of the earliest scheduler's claim. In other words, just ditch the radius method. How to work it out? The problem is that we plan our events with little advanced regard for who else needs a weekend, and we plan that according to our anticipated attendance draw. As it is, if someone comes along later and needs to share the weekend within some radius, you can let them if you feel it won't impact your event, but if you feel it might impact your numbers, you deny the waiver. That screws the other group. To me, the better solution is to replace the radius rule. We should allow events to happen on the same weekend regardless of distance, knowing ahead of time how it will impact both events, AND knowing that the impact is an incentive to try hard not to schedule against each other. The way to do that is to have groups post a notice of intent to hold an event as soon as they know they want to do it. They provide possible weekends they can hold it, target attendance numbers, and list the other events they wish to hold. In the digital age this is very feasible. Then you let groups who feel the need contact each other and work out how to manage it. Every group would be able to see that listing, and if they felt they needed that weekend they could then negotiate on equal terms. That isn't possible in the "first come, first served" method. Will groups always get the same numbers as if they had no local competition? Of course not, but it would be fair. And attendance will rise or fall by natural selection. It does that now anyway. I feel that knowing the success of an event will be impacted by numbers will naturally cause groups to try very hard NOT to hold events on the same weekend, so it will be like a self-regulating valve. If you throw a good event, people will want to come. If you don't get the numbers you want, you plan a smaller site. Yes, people will have to choose which event to attend. Yes, some groups will argue about it, but they'll have to work together or suffer together, and the later is a motivation to cooperate. Ranthulf AsparlundR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Jarrell via Barony" To: "Melanie Schuessler Bond" Cc: "Barony of Cynnabar" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:50:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L Dear Barony, I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about it? And why to the Baronial list? * First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. * Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a strong core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be considered special interest events by many people. Grand Day of Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique attractors that make it special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in the process by which that decision is made. * Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected for it. Others may want to hear from us. * Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those events, should be heard in this discussion. I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our duty to pass it on. In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. Thank you, Kay Kay Jarrell 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 kjarrell at gmail.com HOME: 734-913-4053 CELL: 734-645-3175 On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote: I agree that this change would not be for the better. Melisant On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote:
I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people booking up the calendar ahead of time. What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! Giovanna On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote:
Mistress Kay - There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden influx of reservations on the first available day. A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. -Gregoire. On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote:
Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have struggled with date conflicts just this year. I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. Thank you Kay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "The Midrealm Gazette" < donotreply at wordpress.com > Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L To: < kjarrell at gmail.com > Cc:
admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" New post on The Midrealm Gazette From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L by admin Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org . Read more of this post admin | January 25, 2016 at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar , Events , Official Missives , Seneschal | URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions . Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/ _______________________________________________ Barony mailing list Barony at cynnabar.org http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony
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_______________________________________________ Barony mailing list Barony at cynnabar.org http://lists.cynnabar.org/listinfo/barony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 18:25:05 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Malachy von Ulm via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:25:05 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] events In-Reply-To: References: <152838e60d6-2367-394@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <20160127182505.GA2479@pfrc.org> I'm going to leave the context below intact because I think it nails the point I would make as well. Gregoire got the answer from curia as to why: too much happening in too little of a calendar. I think this is being made a bit worse this year due to the impact the SCA 50 year event is having on the kingdom calendar. To some extent, I think we'd already seen a bit of this as consequence of the calendar compression from when Baron Wars moved into the June timeslot. It made June a month where there's no real gap between events and I think it actually had the impact of causing lower turnout at all of the impacted events. But as everyone is mentioning, the impacts are felt most by those without large-enough incumbent events: - It's their source of income. - It gives the groups their way to contribute to the game. - It's the thing they can do to get others to come to them rather than have them drive to yet another event that's far away. - There's only so much time for those playing the game to play, so we're eventually competing for the same people. Income could be dealt with by alternate means, including "profit sharing" if we absolutely had to. (How that would be implemented by the kingdom and/or SCA, Inc. would be another question... and probably not the happiest conversation to be part of.) The remainder of the items means that if you're vulnerable to having your event "consolidated" away, you're still impacted heavily. And it would definitely lend the appearance that only big groups get to play and if you want to do so as a smaller group, tough. Obviously it's an issue impacting growing the society. As Birke points out, I think there are good arguments to have an ongoing dialog about how to help the smaller groups maintain themselves and grow. Just like we help our new participants grow. The harder question is how to make sure those other groups that might end up getting marginalized can feel *involved* and not squished out of their part of the game. -- Malachy On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:02:46PM -0500, Kell Carnahan via Barony wrote: > If we want fewer, but still quality, events, then having teensy tiny groups > running small events doesn't seem like the way to make that happen. Not > that small groups *can't* run great events, but they have less manpower, > and I imagine less experience, to be able to pull it off in a way that > keeps people coming back and make it profitable. This could be way wrong, > though. > > Tiny SCA groups should be able to exist. Being able to have regular fight > practices and A&S meetings and the regular lifeblood of our hobby nearby, > in your town, is important, because I wouldn't want to drive an hour or > more on a weeknight regularly to have to get to these things. But these > things can also cost money: to keep up a website, to keep up loaner gear, > etc. So small groups need a way to pull in some funds. > > The main way we have right now to get money is events. Small groups need > money, but I'm hearing they have a harder time running events that are > profitable. *Maybe what we need to be discussing, instead of more rules > restricting events, are other ways for small groups to have access to > funds. This seems to be the sticking point coming up in these arguments.* From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 18:26:13 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Kell Carnahan via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: <532527561.10007437.1453916071827.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> <532527561.10007437.1453916071827.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Some well-reasoned thoughts. Do you feel that it is necessary for a small group to host an event every year? What if the group is particularly tiny, and doesn't have the manpower or experience to really do so? On the other thread, I made some thoughts about how if the issue is one of funding for small groups, perhaps we should focus on creative ways to dampen that issue. On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Randy Asplund via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > Hello all, > > > First, if I cover some thoughts othesr already expressed, it is because I > am a slow typist and not because I'm claiming your ideas. Took me a while > to write this up. > > > The question is about whether the radius that events are allowed to hold > competing events within ought to be increased. I think that is the wrong > question. The radius rule is a band-aide, not a solution. It should not be > about radius alone because: > > > Right to hold at least one event per year: I strongly feel that every > group needs to be allowed to hold a successful event each year because it > is the point of the SCA and because holding events is an essential tool for > a group has to raise working capital. As the number of groups increases, > there is more competition during the year for specific dates, and there are > dates which are far more feasible than others inside a radius. Young groups > need to be able to hold events in order to learn and to grow. Screwing them > because they couldn't get a date within a certain radius is counter > productive. > > > I feel that the large "Super Events" such as Crown, Coronation, Val Day, > TOC, Baron Wars, etc. draw from such a wide distance that they impact > concurrent events well beyond the radius, and in fact across the whole > kingdom. Super Events can be enormous, expensive events which require a lot > of capitol and attendance fees in order to host them, such as Val Day. If > they do not get enough attendance due to competing events, they may not be > able to pay for the large site, and may even have serious financial > distress. On the other hand, if there is a competing event the same day > almost ANYWHERE in the kingdom, the radius rule is ineffectual and doesn't > protect *any* events. Anybody holding an event on that day will likely be > impacted to some degree. The more super events we have that take up the > calendar, the worse this problem will get, and smaller events will suffer. > > > Combining small events to make Super Events doesn't seem to be the answer. > I once thought it logical, but I see drawbacks. Yes, there are many good > aspects, such as everyone can come and find something to do. Combining all > fighting types, maybe archery, maybe studio arts, music, A&S displays, > classes, far more merchants than at a small event, etc. is very convenient. > But you usually have to choose which activities to do. Its hard to fight a > tourney and break away to take a class when the local A&S event gets rolled > into a Super Event. You would have been able to take that class if it had > been on its own weekend. Also, combining events means extra long travel for > organizers and volunteers, less face to face communication for them, > co-sponsoring groups may be limited by members of "less efficient" or less > experienced groups, and the financial and other resources have to be > distributed in agreement. Those resources are at risk, but the > responsibility is divided. > > > A radius rule cannot help but be biased. Some groups are far away from > other groups while others are in dense SCA population areas. One might > expect that a remote group's survival would be linked to whether their > event drew enough people for success, while a group in a densely populated > area would be quite able to draw enough people for a theme focus event the > same weekend as another group held an event nearby. Groups close to > geographic boundaries like the great lakes, international and SCA Kingdom > borders, or groups within the radius but where actual driving routes mean > longer travel skew the usefulness of the radius rule. > > > The usefulness of the radius rule also fluctuates with the price of gas, > which affects the travel plans of many potential attendees. > > > The available days on the calendar are limited. Super Events of the > kingdom such as Crown, Coronation 12th Nights and TOC, or Pennsic, or Val > Day, Baron Wars, etc. all chew up dates. Holidays take more, and even home > sporting events have an impact where many groups are centered in university > towns. Use of Fairground sites and other larger venues for fighting events > is in competition with mundane groups. Churches also have weddings > competing with us. Squeezing in events around all of this is a nightmare of > scheduling which gets worse when it becomes a matter of "first come, first > served" getting the calendar slot. In an area with a lot of groups close to > each other these things make competition for weekends very hard. > > > Is "first come, first served" a fair way to decide? > > Obviously, it was intended that way, but I think it creates a different > unfairness. Not getting your event on the calendar can be a financial > setback or even disaster for some groups. And while it is a whole group > trying to survive and hold an event, usually the task of getting onto the > calendar is up to one person. If because of lack of experience, or some > other reason like unavailability of a site to book causes the group to lose > a calendar date to another group who had more convenient logistics, that's > unfair. > > > Having an event close by on the same day will impact some events > financially by reducing attendance, but that is NOT ALWAYS TRUE. There are > events of different natures which can use nearby sites without impacting > each other very significantly. There may be a way to allow close events of > different natures. For example, if two groups wished to host an event on > the same day and somewhat near each other, they could work out between them > whether they felt they would have the attendance numbers to work with their > site. > > > Also, is it fair if a group in that position can't hold their only event > of the year when some other group schedules their third event? I say it is > not. When groups are fighting to get one event on the calendar, it is not > cool for other groups to get a selfish share of the calendar at another > group's expense, regardless of who was first. > > > But what if the group holding several events during the year throws REALLY > good events? Isn't it important that those events be allowed to happen? Is > it MORE important that such "worthy" events are held than the needs of the > competing group who's event is likely a lesser draw anyway? > > > No, it isn't MORE important. But it IS important that both groups are able > to pull off their events. All effort should be made to ensure that a group > gets to hold at least one event during the year if they wish. That ought to > be a given. There are ways to work it out. As for how it is worked out, > that depends on what the SCA gets out of the other collection of events > held by the other group. For example, if one group holds three similar > fighting events, it would be selfish and wrong to prevent another group > from holding their one event. But if the first group holds several smaller > theme specific events which have a vital SCA value and are bringing in > people from across the kingdom, there needs to be a way to hold those > events too, and without impacting the single-event holding group. > > > The solution to that seems to be allowing the events to happen within the > radius, regardless of the earliest scheduler's claim. In other words, just > ditch the radius method. > > > How to work it out? The problem is that we plan our events with little > advanced regard for who else needs a weekend, and we plan that according to > our anticipated attendance draw. As it is, if someone comes along later and > needs to share the weekend within some radius, you can let them if you feel > it won't impact your event, but if you feel it might impact your numbers, > you deny the waiver. That screws the other group. To me, the better > solution is to replace the radius rule. We should allow events to happen on > the same weekend regardless of distance, knowing ahead of time how it will > impact both events, AND knowing that the impact is an incentive to try hard > not to schedule against each other. > > > The way to do that is to have groups post a notice of intent to hold an > event as soon as they know they want to do it. They provide possible > weekends they can hold it, target attendance numbers, and list the other > events they wish to hold. In the digital age this is very feasible. Then > you let groups who feel the need contact each other and work out how to > manage it. Every group would be able to see that listing, and if they felt > they needed that weekend they could then negotiate on equal terms. That > isn't possible in the "first come, first served" method. Will groups always > get the same numbers as if they had no local competition? Of course not, > but it would be fair. And attendance will rise or fall by natural > selection. It does that now anyway. I feel that knowing the success of an > event will be impacted by numbers will naturally cause groups to try very > hard NOT to hold events on the same weekend, so it will be like a > self-regulating valve. If you throw a good event, people will want to come. > If you don't get the numbers you want, you plan a smaller site. Yes, people > will have to choose which event to attend. Yes, some groups will argue > about it, but they'll have to work together or suffer together, and the > later is a motivation to cooperate. > > > > Ranthulf AsparlundR > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Kay Jarrell via Barony" > *To: *"Melanie Schuessler Bond" > *Cc: *"Barony of Cynnabar" > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:50:19 AM > *Subject: *Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, > February AS L > > Dear Barony, > I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about > it? And why to the Baronial list? > > - First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds > consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. > - Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a strong > core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be considered > special interest events by many people. Grand Day of Tournaments is more > of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique attractors that make it > special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested interest in how the decision > about the distance change turns out, and in the process by which that > decision is made. > - Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected > for it. Others may want to hear from us. > - Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, > regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those > events, should be heard in this discussion. > > I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members of > a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. If > we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our duty > to pass it on. > > In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get > your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. > > Thank you, > Kay > > > *Kay Jarrell* > > 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 > > > kjarrell at gmail.com > > HOME: 734-913-4053 > > CELL: 734-645-3175 > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> I agree that this change would not be for the better. >> >> Melisant >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: >> >> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people >> booking up the calendar ahead of time. >> >> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work >> together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff >> and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! >> >> Giovanna >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> Mistress Kay - >>> >>> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >>> influx of reservations on the first available day. >>> >>> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >>> >>> -Gregoire. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>>> >>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>>> >>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Kay >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>> To: >>>> Cc: >>>> >>>> * admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom >>>> is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of >>>> members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold >>>> events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" * >>>> >>>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>>> >>>> From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>> >>>> by admin >>>> >>>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>>> >>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Wed Jan 27 19:22:19 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Randy Asplund via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: References: <17260174-D516-4A2A-AA2F-833B9BB3CB87@bond-family.com> <532527561.10007437.1453916071827.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <206897595.10089471.1453922539963.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Thanks Birka, Actually, while I think that it is on the SCA to make it available for groups to host an event each year, that would hinge on whether the group was actually ready, able and willing to do so. Pushing a group that isn't set to hold an event would be a mistake. While most full status groups get to be full status after having run events, there will always be groups on the fringe who are hanging on thinly, or are in hard times, or just don't currently have the interested and capable people to handle it, or may be otherwise short on resources for a year or more. Funding sources for a group can certainly happen in other ways. It is not uncommon for an incipient group to get their first seed money by doing demos for pay. Just one example. RanthulfR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kell Carnahan via Barony" To: "Randy Asplund" Cc: "Barony Cynnabar" , seneschal at midrealm.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:26:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L Some well-reasoned thoughts. Do you feel that it is necessary for a small group to host an event every year? What if the group is particularly tiny, and doesn't have the manpower or experience to really do so? On the other thread, I made some thoughts about how if the issue is one of funding for small groups, perhaps we should focus on creative ways to dampen that issue. On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Randy Asplund via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote: Hello all, First, if I cover some thoughts othesr already expressed, it is because I am a slow typist and not because I'm claiming your ideas. Took me a while to write this up. The question is about whether the radius that events are allowed to hold competing events within ought to be increased. I think that is the wrong question. The radius rule is a band-aide, not a solution. It should not be about radius alone because: Right to hold at least one event per year: I strongly feel that every group needs to be allowed to hold a successful event each year because it is the point of the SCA and because holding events is an essential tool for a group has to raise working capital. As the number of groups increases, there is more competition during the year for specific dates, and there are dates which are far more feasible than others inside a radius. Young groups need to be able to hold events in order to learn and to grow. Screwing them because they couldn't get a date within a certain radius is counter productive. I feel that the large "Super Events" such as Crown, Coronation, Val Day, TOC, Baron Wars, etc. draw from such a wide distance that they impact concurrent events well beyond the radius, and in fact across the whole kingdom. Super Events can be enormous, expensive events which require a lot of capitol and attendance fees in order to host them, such as Val Day. If they do not get enough attendance due to competing events, they may not be able to pay for the large site, and may even have serious financial distress. On the other hand, if there is a competing event the same day almost ANYWHERE in the kingdom, the radius rule is ineffectual and doesn't protect any events. Anybody holding an event on that day will likely be impacted to some degree. The more super events we have that take up the calendar, the worse this problem will get, and smaller events will suffer. Combining small events to make Super Events doesn't seem to be the answer. I once thought it logical, but I see drawbacks. Yes, there are many good aspects, such as everyone can come and find something to do. Combining all fighting types, maybe archery, maybe studio arts, music, A&S displays, classes, far more merchants than at a small event, etc. is very convenient. But you usually have to choose which activities to do. Its hard to fight a tourney and break away to take a class when the local A&S event gets rolled into a Super Event. You would have been able to take that class if it had been on its own weekend. Also, combining events means extra long travel for organizers and volunteers, less face to face communication for them, co-sponsoring groups may be limited by members of "less efficient" or less experienced groups, and the financial and other resources have to be distributed in agreement. Those resources are at risk, but the responsibility is divided. A radius rule cannot help but be biased. Some groups are far away from other groups while others are in dense SCA population areas. One might expect that a remote group's survival would be linked to whether their event drew enough people for success, while a group in a densely populated area would be quite able to draw enough people for a theme focus event the same weekend as another group held an event nearby. Groups close to geographic boundaries like the great lakes, international and SCA Kingdom borders, or groups within the radius but where actual driving routes mean longer travel skew the usefulness of the radius rule. The usefulness of the radius rule also fluctuates with the price of gas, which affects the travel plans of many potential attendees. The available days on the calendar are limited. Super Events of the kingdom such as Crown, Coronation 12th Nights and TOC, or Pennsic, or Val Day, Baron Wars, etc. all chew up dates. Holidays take more, and even home sporting events have an impact where many groups are centered in university towns. Use of Fairground sites and other larger venues for fighting events is in competition with mundane groups. Churches also have weddings competing with us. Squeezing in events around all of this is a nightmare of scheduling which gets worse when it becomes a matter of "first come, first served" getting the calendar slot. In an area with a lot of groups close to each other these things make competition for weekends very hard. Is "first come, first served" a fair way to decide? Obviously, it was intended that way, but I think it creates a different unfairness. Not getting your event on the calendar can be a financial setback or even disaster for some groups. And while it is a whole group trying to survive and hold an event, usually the task of getting onto the calendar is up to one person. If because of lack of experience, or some other reason like unavailability of a site to book causes the group to lose a calendar date to another group who had more convenient logistics, that's unfair. Having an event close by on the same day will impact some events financially by reducing attendance, but that is NOT ALWAYS TRUE. There are events of different natures which can use nearby sites without impacting each other very significantly. There may be a way to allow close events of different natures. For example, if two groups wished to host an event on the same day and somewhat near each other, they could work out between them whether they felt they would have the attendance numbers to work with their site. Also, is it fair if a group in that position can't hold their only event of the year when some other group schedules their third event? I say it is not. When groups are fighting to get one event on the calendar, it is not cool for other groups to get a selfish share of the calendar at another group's expense, regardless of who was first. But what if the group holding several events during the year throws REALLY good events? Isn't it important that those events be allowed to happen? Is it MORE important that such "worthy" events are held than the needs of the competing group who's event is likely a lesser draw anyway? No, it isn't MORE important. But it IS important that both groups are able to pull off their events. All effort should be made to ensure that a group gets to hold at least one event during the year if they wish. That ought to be a given. There are ways to work it out. As for how it is worked out, that depends on what the SCA gets out of the other collection of events held by the other group. For example, if one group holds three similar fighting events, it would be selfish and wrong to prevent another group from holding their one event. But if the first group holds several smaller theme specific events which have a vital SCA value and are bringing in people from across the kingdom, there needs to be a way to hold those events too, and without impacting the single-event holding group. The solution to that seems to be allowing the events to happen within the radius, regardless of the earliest scheduler's claim. In other words, just ditch the radius method. How to work it out? The problem is that we plan our events with little advanced regard for who else needs a weekend, and we plan that according to our anticipated attendance draw. As it is, if someone comes along later and needs to share the weekend within some radius, you can let them if you feel it won't impact your event, but if you feel it might impact your numbers, you deny the waiver. That screws the other group. To me, the better solution is to replace the radius rule. We should allow events to happen on the same weekend regardless of distance, knowing ahead of time how it will impact both events, AND knowing that the impact is an incentive to try hard not to schedule against each other. The way to do that is to have groups post a notice of intent to hold an event as soon as they know they want to do it. They provide possible weekends they can hold it, target attendance numbers, and list the other events they wish to hold. In the digital age this is very feasible. Then you let groups who feel the need contact each other and work out how to manage it. Every group would be able to see that listing, and if they felt they needed that weekend they could then negotiate on equal terms. That isn't possible in the "first come, first served" method. Will groups always get the same numbers as if they had no local competition? Of course not, but it would be fair. And attendance will rise or fall by natural selection. It does that now anyway. I feel that knowing the success of an event will be impacted by numbers will naturally cause groups to try very hard NOT to hold events on the same weekend, so it will be like a self-regulating valve. If you throw a good event, people will want to come. If you don't get the numbers you want, you plan a smaller site. Yes, people will have to choose which event to attend. Yes, some groups will argue about it, but they'll have to work together or suffer together, and the later is a motivation to cooperate. Ranthulf AsparlundR From: "Kay Jarrell via Barony" < barony at cynnabar.org > To: "Melanie Schuessler Bond" < mschuess at bond-family.com > Cc: "Barony of Cynnabar" < barony at cynnabar.org > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:50:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L Dear Barony, I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about it? And why to the Baronial list? * First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. * Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a strong core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be considered special interest events by many people. Grand Day of Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique attractors that make it special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in the process by which that decision is made. * Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected for it. Others may want to hear from us. * Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those events, should be heard in this discussion. I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our duty to pass it on. In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. Thank you, Kay Kay Jarrell 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 kjarrell at gmail.com HOME: 734-913-4053 CELL: 734-645-3175 On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote:
I agree that this change would not be for the better. Melisant On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote:
I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people booking up the calendar ahead of time. What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! Giovanna On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote:
Mistress Kay - There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden influx of reservations on the first available day. A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. -Gregoire. On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org > wrote:
Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have struggled with date conflicts just this year. I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. Thank you Kay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "The Midrealm Gazette" < donotreply at wordpress.com > Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L To: < kjarrell at gmail.com > Cc:
admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" New post on The Midrealm Gazette From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L by admin Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org . Read more of this post admin | January 25, 2016 at 8:30 pm | Categories: Calendar , Events , Official Missives , Seneschal | URL: http://wp.me/p5OLYn-eZ Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from The Midrealm Gazette. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions . Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/
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I could reasonably imagine being part of a small canton that had a weekly fighter practice or dance practice, and couple local revels throughout the year, never having something on the kingdom calendar. But events are an important part of this organization. The only way to attract Royalty to your event is to have it on the Kingdom calendar. For groups with only one or two peers, being able to see and host bigwigs once in a while is important. So, I agree with Ranthulfr that every group should be allowed one slot on the kingdom calendar. Or at least, I'm open to that right being granted. ------ As an SCA member, I'd love to see more of our events go from annual to semiannual. It'd free up calendar space. I might actually look forward to going to a Super Event. But I see the value from an organizational standpoint of annual events. It's easier to build relationships with sites if you interract with them regularly. It's easier to build momentum for your event if people associated it with a specific time of year. If your event does well you get a guaranteed income stream. And also, to be perfectly honest, it's only non-Cynnabar events that I want to go to a semi-annual schedule. Which is a problem when pitching the idea. (I'd like to think I'd feel differently if there were other Period Music events or if there was another Middle Kingdom dance event besides Crystal Ball.) ------- I agree with Kasha that while the idea of collaborating with other groups sounds nice, in practice it can be really challenging. Planning events locally, where we more or less know each other, is hard enough. Planning something with people you don't know very well over long distances in a volunteer organization (i.e. there are few consequences for flaking out) is at least one order of magnitude more difficult. I certainly would not want to share any of Cynnabar's signature events with another group. But I might let another group run the lunch tavern. ------------ I like that Cynnabar, Roaring Wastes, and Northwoods share Pentamere 12th night. Are there other events that could be shared similarly? All those mini-wars during the summer come to mind... ------------ What is the goal for the Kingdom Calendar? Do we want higher quality events? (whatever that means.) Do we want events from a more diverse number of groups? Do we want fewer events on the calendar? Do we want more niche events? Maybe the 150 mile rule makes sense since there's an exception for "specialty" events. At least 2 of Cynnabar's 3 Signature events are covered. And there's a case to be made for GDoT being a specialty event too. I have no conclusions- -Jadzia On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Randy Asplund via Barony < barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > Thanks Birka, > > Actually, while I think that it is on the SCA to make it available for > groups to host an event each year, that would hinge on whether the group > was actually ready, able and willing to do so. Pushing a group that isn't > set to hold an event would be a mistake. While most full status groups get > to be full status after having run events, there will always be groups on > the fringe who are hanging on thinly, or are in hard times, or just don't > currently have the interested and capable people to handle it, or may be > otherwise short on resources for a year or more. > > Funding sources for a group can certainly happen in other ways. It is not > uncommon for an incipient group to get their first seed money by doing > demos for pay. Just one example. > > RanthulfR > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Kell Carnahan via Barony" > *To: *"Randy Asplund" > *Cc: *"Barony Cynnabar" , seneschal at midrealm.org > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:26:13 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, > February AS L > > Some well-reasoned thoughts. > > Do you feel that it is necessary for a small group to host an event every > year? What if the group is particularly tiny, and doesn't have the > manpower or experience to really do so? > > On the other thread, I made some thoughts about how if the issue is one of > funding for small groups, perhaps we should focus on creative ways to > dampen that issue. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Randy Asplund via Barony < > barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> >> First, if I cover some thoughts othesr already expressed, it is because I >> am a slow typist and not because I'm claiming your ideas. Took me a while >> to write this up. >> >> >> The question is about whether the radius that events are allowed to hold >> competing events within ought to be increased. I think that is the wrong >> question. The radius rule is a band-aide, not a solution. It should not be >> about radius alone because: >> >> >> Right to hold at least one event per year: I strongly feel that every >> group needs to be allowed to hold a successful event each year because it >> is the point of the SCA and because holding events is an essential tool for >> a group has to raise working capital. As the number of groups increases, >> there is more competition during the year for specific dates, and there are >> dates which are far more feasible than others inside a radius. Young groups >> need to be able to hold events in order to learn and to grow. Screwing them >> because they couldn't get a date within a certain radius is counter >> productive. >> >> >> I feel that the large "Super Events" such as Crown, Coronation, Val Day, >> TOC, Baron Wars, etc. draw from such a wide distance that they impact >> concurrent events well beyond the radius, and in fact across the whole >> kingdom. Super Events can be enormous, expensive events which require a lot >> of capitol and attendance fees in order to host them, such as Val Day. If >> they do not get enough attendance due to competing events, they may not be >> able to pay for the large site, and may even have serious financial >> distress. On the other hand, if there is a competing event the same day >> almost ANYWHERE in the kingdom, the radius rule is ineffectual and doesn't >> protect *any* events. Anybody holding an event on that day will likely >> be impacted to some degree. The more super events we have that take up the >> calendar, the worse this problem will get, and smaller events will suffer. >> >> >> Combining small events to make Super Events doesn't seem to be the >> answer. I once thought it logical, but I see drawbacks. Yes, there are many >> good aspects, such as everyone can come and find something to do. Combining >> all fighting types, maybe archery, maybe studio arts, music, A&S displays, >> classes, far more merchants than at a small event, etc. is very convenient. >> But you usually have to choose which activities to do. Its hard to fight a >> tourney and break away to take a class when the local A&S event gets rolled >> into a Super Event. You would have been able to take that class if it had >> been on its own weekend. Also, combining events means extra long travel for >> organizers and volunteers, less face to face communication for them, >> co-sponsoring groups may be limited by members of "less efficient" or less >> experienced groups, and the financial and other resources have to be >> distributed in agreement. Those resources are at risk, but the >> responsibility is divided. >> >> >> A radius rule cannot help but be biased. Some groups are far away from >> other groups while others are in dense SCA population areas. One might >> expect that a remote group's survival would be linked to whether their >> event drew enough people for success, while a group in a densely populated >> area would be quite able to draw enough people for a theme focus event the >> same weekend as another group held an event nearby. Groups close to >> geographic boundaries like the great lakes, international and SCA Kingdom >> borders, or groups within the radius but where actual driving routes mean >> longer travel skew the usefulness of the radius rule. >> >> >> The usefulness of the radius rule also fluctuates with the price of gas, >> which affects the travel plans of many potential attendees. >> >> >> The available days on the calendar are limited. Super Events of the >> kingdom such as Crown, Coronation 12th Nights and TOC, or Pennsic, or Val >> Day, Baron Wars, etc. all chew up dates. Holidays take more, and even home >> sporting events have an impact where many groups are centered in university >> towns. Use of Fairground sites and other larger venues for fighting events >> is in competition with mundane groups. Churches also have weddings >> competing with us. Squeezing in events around all of this is a nightmare of >> scheduling which gets worse when it becomes a matter of "first come, first >> served" getting the calendar slot. In an area with a lot of groups close to >> each other these things make competition for weekends very hard. >> >> >> Is "first come, first served" a fair way to decide? >> >> Obviously, it was intended that way, but I think it creates a different >> unfairness. Not getting your event on the calendar can be a financial >> setback or even disaster for some groups. And while it is a whole group >> trying to survive and hold an event, usually the task of getting onto the >> calendar is up to one person. If because of lack of experience, or some >> other reason like unavailability of a site to book causes the group to lose >> a calendar date to another group who had more convenient logistics, that's >> unfair. >> >> >> Having an event close by on the same day will impact some events >> financially by reducing attendance, but that is NOT ALWAYS TRUE. There are >> events of different natures which can use nearby sites without impacting >> each other very significantly. There may be a way to allow close events of >> different natures. For example, if two groups wished to host an event on >> the same day and somewhat near each other, they could work out between them >> whether they felt they would have the attendance numbers to work with their >> site. >> >> >> Also, is it fair if a group in that position can't hold their only event >> of the year when some other group schedules their third event? I say it is >> not. When groups are fighting to get one event on the calendar, it is not >> cool for other groups to get a selfish share of the calendar at another >> group's expense, regardless of who was first. >> >> >> But what if the group holding several events during the year throws >> REALLY good events? Isn't it important that those events be allowed to >> happen? Is it MORE important that such "worthy" events are held than the >> needs of the competing group who's event is likely a lesser draw anyway? >> >> >> No, it isn't MORE important. But it IS important that both groups are >> able to pull off their events. All effort should be made to ensure that a >> group gets to hold at least one event during the year if they wish. That >> ought to be a given. There are ways to work it out. As for how it is worked >> out, that depends on what the SCA gets out of the other collection of >> events held by the other group. For example, if one group holds three >> similar fighting events, it would be selfish and wrong to prevent another >> group from holding their one event. But if the first group holds several >> smaller theme specific events which have a vital SCA value and are bringing >> in people from across the kingdom, there needs to be a way to hold those >> events too, and without impacting the single-event holding group. >> >> >> The solution to that seems to be allowing the events to happen within the >> radius, regardless of the earliest scheduler's claim. In other words, just >> ditch the radius method. >> >> >> How to work it out? The problem is that we plan our events with little >> advanced regard for who else needs a weekend, and we plan that according to >> our anticipated attendance draw. As it is, if someone comes along later and >> needs to share the weekend within some radius, you can let them if you feel >> it won't impact your event, but if you feel it might impact your numbers, >> you deny the waiver. That screws the other group. To me, the better >> solution is to replace the radius rule. We should allow events to happen on >> the same weekend regardless of distance, knowing ahead of time how it will >> impact both events, AND knowing that the impact is an incentive to try hard >> not to schedule against each other. >> >> >> The way to do that is to have groups post a notice of intent to hold an >> event as soon as they know they want to do it. They provide possible >> weekends they can hold it, target attendance numbers, and list the other >> events they wish to hold. In the digital age this is very feasible. Then >> you let groups who feel the need contact each other and work out how to >> manage it. Every group would be able to see that listing, and if they felt >> they needed that weekend they could then negotiate on equal terms. That >> isn't possible in the "first come, first served" method. Will groups always >> get the same numbers as if they had no local competition? Of course not, >> but it would be fair. And attendance will rise or fall by natural >> selection. It does that now anyway. I feel that knowing the success of an >> event will be impacted by numbers will naturally cause groups to try very >> hard NOT to hold events on the same weekend, so it will be like a >> self-regulating valve. If you throw a good event, people will want to come. >> If you don't get the numbers you want, you plan a smaller site. Yes, people >> will have to choose which event to attend. Yes, some groups will argue >> about it, but they'll have to work together or suffer together, and the >> later is a motivation to cooperate. >> >> >> >> Ranthulf AsparlundR >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Kay Jarrell via Barony" >> *To: *"Melanie Schuessler Bond" >> *Cc: *"Barony of Cynnabar" >> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:50:19 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, >> February AS L >> >> Dear Barony, >> I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about >> it? And why to the Baronial list? >> >> - First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds >> consider this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. >> - Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a >> strong core interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be >> considered special interest events by many people. Grand Day of >> Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique >> attractors that make it special. Therefore, the Barony has a vested >> interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in >> the process by which that decision is made. >> - Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected >> for it. Others may want to hear from us. >> - Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, >> regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those >> events, should be heard in this discussion. >> >> I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members >> of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. >> If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our >> duty to pass it on. >> >> In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get >> your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. >> >> Thank you, >> Kay >> >> >> *Kay Jarrell* >> >> 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 >> >> >> kjarrell at gmail.com >> >> HOME: 734-913-4053 >> >> CELL: 734-645-3175 >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony < >> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >> >>> I agree that this change would not be for the better. >>> >>> Melisant >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: >>> >>> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people >>> booking up the calendar ahead of time. >>> >>> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work >>> together to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff >>> and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! >>> >>> Giovanna >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony < >>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Mistress Kay - >>>> >>>> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >>>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >>>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >>>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >>>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >>>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >>>> influx of reservations on the first available day. >>>> >>>> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >>>> >>>> -Gregoire. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony < >>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>>>> >>>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to >>>>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Kay >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>>> To: >>>>> Cc: >>>>> >>>>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom >>>>> is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of >>>>> members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold >>>>> events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>>>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette* >>>>> >>>>> From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>>> >>>>> by admin >>>>> >>>>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>>>> >>>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups >>>>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200 >>>>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The >>>>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help >>>>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance. >>>>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least >>>>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under >>>>> consideration to change the ?100-mile rule? to 150 miles. Commentary, >>>>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org. 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Thu Jan 28 02:35:35 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (David Hoornstra via Barony) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:35:35 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L In-Reply-To: <206897595.10089471.1453922539963.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Looking over previous posts, I see our thoughts running in several directions, often conflicting directions in the same post. Some of the most difficult things are about US and THEM. Cynnabar takes great pride in providing well-considered, well-run events for a wide spectrum of the event-going public. So it?s tough for us to consider giving away valuable calendar ?real estate? without assurance the public will get a better event experience out of it. I think Curia might be well advised to replace the Radius Question with a Regional Calendar Question. Several posts have already pointed in this direction. Curia?s concern for the needs of smaller groups to hold events for financial reasons is worthy in itself, but may not be the best starting point for overall event-scheduling policy. There seem to be certain assumptions about How Things Should Be. I?m not sure there should be a blanket ?right? for a group of unstated qualifications to automatically have a date on the kindgom calendar. This idea comes from one of those Assumptions. My assumption is that a group should consider the needs of its audience first. Is it a sacred cow that every event be the product of a local chapter?s Creative Genius? Is local creativity more important than the populace having good event choices? Making the quality of life in the SCA depend on local initiative may have been ?the only way? for the first ten years, but it may be time to consider alternatives. (FIFTY YEARS? ARE YOU SERIOUS?) Deciding the national, regional and subregional calendar is way too important to leave to a tug of war. We need to gain some consensus on these issues: 1. Who are events for? The local group or its audience? 2. How do we define essential event classifications? Size? Profitability? Constituency? 3. Who should be putting on the events defined as IMPORTANT to ALL? 4. Where SHOULD money come from to provide quality event experiences? We seem to be making assumptions about what the average SCA member wants out of an event. Some data is needed: 1. How is the SCA audience proportioned in terms of type of event attended/preferred? 2. What portion of the individual member?s SCA spending goes to events and how does it get there? 3. What portion of the SCA?s and a kingdom?s annual spending goes to events? How is that spent? 4. What portion of event monies should be allocated to local group development? 5. We know insurance is a big slice of our pie. Can we classify some event types as lower risk and save money? I?m not saying we shouldn?t move without all these questions being nailed down. Everyone understands the need for kingdom events to go well. These events already ?anchor? the calendar. Maybe we should expand the number of events anchoring the kingdom calendar and create a Regional Calendar. Grant ?official kingdom status, class 2? to a certain number of defined events BY TYPE per year IN EACH REGION and SUPPORT THEM. Every local group in Pentamere could bid, for instance, on the Pentamere Spring Archery Event to be held on one of three specified weekends. (Just an example; I understand there are archery organizations.) Daibhid ?ruadh? MacLachlan From: Randy Asplund via Barony Reply-To: Randy Asplund Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:22:19 +0000 (UTC) To: "Cynnabar, Barony" Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L Thanks Birka, Actually, while I think that it is on the SCA to make it available for groups to host an event each year, that would hinge on whether the group was actually ready, able and willing to do so. Pushing a group that isn't set to hold an event would be a mistake. While most full status groups get to be full status after having run events, there will always be groups on the fringe who are hanging on thinly, or are in hard times, or just don't currently have the interested and capable people to handle it, or may be otherwise short on resources for a year or more. Funding sources for a group can certainly happen in other ways. It is not uncommon for an incipient group to get their first seed money by doing demos for pay. Just one example. RanthulfR From: "Kell Carnahan via Barony" To: "Randy Asplund" Cc: "Barony Cynnabar" , seneschal at midrealm.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:26:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L Some well-reasoned thoughts. Do you feel that it is necessary for a small group to host an event every year? What if the group is particularly tiny, and doesn't have the manpower or experience to really do so? On the other thread, I made some thoughts about how if the issue is one of funding for small groups, perhaps we should focus on creative ways to dampen that issue. On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Randy Asplund via Barony wrote: > Hello all, > > > > First, if I cover some thoughts othesr already expressed, it is because I am a > slow typist and not because I'm claiming your ideas. Took me a while to write > this up. > > > > The question is about whether the radius that events are allowed to hold > competing events within ought to be increased. I think that is the wrong > question. The radius rule is a band-aide, not a solution. It should not be > about radius alone because: > > > > Right to hold at least one event per year: I strongly feel that every group > needs to be allowed to hold a successful event each year because it is the > point of the SCA and because holding events is an essential tool for a group > has to raise working capital. As the number of groups increases, there is more > competition during the year for specific dates, and there are dates which are > far more feasible than others inside a radius. Young groups need to be able to > hold events in order to learn and to grow. Screwing them because they couldn't > get a date within a certain radius is counter productive. > > > > I feel that the large "Super Events" such as Crown, Coronation, Val Day, TOC, > Baron Wars, etc. draw from such a wide distance that they impact concurrent > events well beyond the radius, and in fact across the whole kingdom. Super > Events can be enormous, expensive events which require a lot of capitol and > attendance fees in order to host them, such as Val Day. If they do not get > enough attendance due to competing events, they may not be able to pay for the > large site, and may even have serious financial distress. On the other hand, > if there is a competing event the same day almost ANYWHERE in the kingdom, the > radius rule is ineffectual and doesn't protect any events. Anybody holding an > event on that day will likely be impacted to some degree. The more super > events we have that take up the calendar, the worse this problem will get, and > smaller events will suffer. > > > > Combining small events to make Super Events doesn't seem to be the answer. I > once thought it logical, but I see drawbacks. Yes, there are many good > aspects, such as everyone can come and find something to do. Combining all > fighting types, maybe archery, maybe studio arts, music, A&S displays, > classes, far more merchants than at a small event, etc. is very convenient. > But you usually have to choose which activities to do. Its hard to fight a > tourney and break away to take a class when the local A&S event gets rolled > into a Super Event. You would have been able to take that class if it had been > on its own weekend. Also, combining events means extra long travel for > organizers and volunteers, less face to face communication for them, > co-sponsoring groups may be limited by members of "less efficient" or less > experienced groups, and the financial and other resources have to be > distributed in agreement. Those resources are at risk, but the responsibility > is divided. > > > > A radius rule cannot help but be biased. Some groups are far away from other > groups while others are in dense SCA population areas. One might expect that a > remote group's survival would be linked to whether their event drew enough > people for success, while a group in a densely populated area would be quite > able to draw enough people for a theme focus event the same weekend as another > group held an event nearby. Groups close to geographic boundaries like the > great lakes, international and SCA Kingdom borders, or groups within the > radius but where actual driving routes mean longer travel skew the usefulness > of the radius rule. > > > > The usefulness of the radius rule also fluctuates with the price of gas, which > affects the travel plans of many potential attendees. > > > > The available days on the calendar are limited. Super Events of the kingdom > such as Crown, Coronation 12th Nights and TOC, or Pennsic, or Val Day, Baron > Wars, etc. all chew up dates. Holidays take more, and even home sporting > events have an impact where many groups are centered in university towns. Use > of Fairground sites and other larger venues for fighting events is in > competition with mundane groups. Churches also have weddings competing with > us. Squeezing in events around all of this is a nightmare of scheduling which > gets worse when it becomes a matter of "first come, first served" getting the > calendar slot. In an area with a lot of groups close to each other these > things make competition for weekends very hard. > > > > Is "first come, first served" a fair way to decide? > > Obviously, it was intended that way, but I think it creates a different > unfairness. Not getting your event on the calendar can be a financial setback > or even disaster for some groups. And while it is a whole group trying to > survive and hold an event, usually the task of getting onto the calendar is up > to one person. If because of lack of experience, or some other reason like > unavailability of a site to book causes the group to lose a calendar date to > another group who had more convenient logistics, that's unfair. > > > > Having an event close by on the same day will impact some events financially > by reducing attendance, but that is NOT ALWAYS TRUE. There are events of > different natures which can use nearby sites without impacting each other very > significantly. There may be a way to allow close events of different natures. > For example, if two groups wished to host an event on the same day and > somewhat near each other, they could work out between them whether they felt > they would have the attendance numbers to work with their site. > > > > Also, is it fair if a group in that position can't hold their only event of > the year when some other group schedules their third event? I say it is not. > When groups are fighting to get one event on the calendar, it is not cool for > other groups to get a selfish share of the calendar at another group's > expense, regardless of who was first. > > > > But what if the group holding several events during the year throws REALLY > good events? Isn't it important that those events be allowed to happen? Is it > MORE important that such "worthy" events are held than the needs of the > competing group who's event is likely a lesser draw anyway? > > > > No, it isn't MORE important. But it IS important that both groups are able to > pull off their events. All effort should be made to ensure that a group gets > to hold at least one event during the year if they wish. That ought to be a > given. There are ways to work it out. As for how it is worked out, that > depends on what the SCA gets out of the other collection of events held by the > other group. For example, if one group holds three similar fighting events, it > would be selfish and wrong to prevent another group from holding their one > event. But if the first group holds several smaller theme specific events > which have a vital SCA value and are bringing in people from across the > kingdom, there needs to be a way to hold those events too, and without > impacting the single-event holding group. > > > > The solution to that seems to be allowing the events to happen within the > radius, regardless of the earliest scheduler's claim. In other words, just > ditch the radius method. > > > > How to work it out? The problem is that we plan our events with little > advanced regard for who else needs a weekend, and we plan that according to > our anticipated attendance draw. As it is, if someone comes along later and > needs to share the weekend within some radius, you can let them if you feel it > won't impact your event, but if you feel it might impact your numbers, you > deny the waiver. That screws the other group. To me, the better solution is to > replace the radius rule. We should allow events to happen on the same weekend > regardless of distance, knowing ahead of time how it will impact both events, > AND knowing that the impact is an incentive to try hard not to schedule > against each other. > > > > The way to do that is to have groups post a notice of intent to hold an event > as soon as they know they want to do it. They provide possible weekends they > can hold it, target attendance numbers, and list the other events they wish to > hold. In the digital age this is very feasible. Then you let groups who feel > the need contact each other and work out how to manage it. Every group would > be able to see that listing, and if they felt they needed that weekend they > could then negotiate on equal terms. That isn't possible in the "first come, > first served" method. Will groups always get the same numbers as if they had > no local competition? Of course not, but it would be fair. And attendance will > rise or fall by natural selection. It does that now anyway. I feel that > knowing the success of an event will be impacted by numbers will naturally > cause groups to try very hard NOT to hold events on the same weekend, so it > will be like a self-regulating valve. If you throw a good event, people will > want to come. If you don't get the numbers you want, you plan a smaller site. > Yes, people will have to choose which event to attend. Yes, some groups will > argue about it, but they'll have to work together or suffer together, and the > later is a motivation to cooperate. > > > > > > Ranthulf AsparlundR > > > > From: "Kay Jarrell via Barony" > To: "Melanie Schuessler Bond" > Cc: "Barony of Cynnabar" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:50:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February > AS L > > Dear Barony, > I look forward to more comment on this issue. Why should you write about it? > And why to the Baronial list? > * First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds consider > this issue. Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas. > * Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a strong core > interest group. Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be considered special > interest events by many people. Grand Day of Tournaments is more of a > "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique attractors that make it special. > Therefore, the Barony has a vested interest in how the decision about the > distance change turns out, and in the process by which that decision is made. > * Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events. We are respected for it. > Others may want to hear from us. > * > * Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful local, regional > and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create those events, > should be heard in this discussion. > I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members of a > group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia. If we > have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our duty to > pass it on. > > In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get your > last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia. > > Thank you, > Kay > > > Kay Jarrell > > 4363 Lyndon Lane Ann Arbor, MI 48105 > > > > > > kjarrell at gmail.com > > HOME: 734-913-4053 > > > CELL: 734-645-3175 > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony > wrote: >> I agree that this change would not be for the better. >> >> Melisant >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote: >> >>> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people >>> booking up the calendar ahead of time. >>> >>> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work together >>> to put on events. Then there would be more attendance, more staff and >>> hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement! >>> >>> Giovanna >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony >>> wrote: >>>> Mistress Kay - >>>> >>>> There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly >>>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per >>>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to >>>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and >>>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in >>>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden >>>> influx of reservations on the first available day. >>>> >>>> A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it. >>>> >>>> -Gregoire. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony >>>> wrote: >>>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your >>>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write. >>>>> >>>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have >>>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year. >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to write >>>>> directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Kay >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" >>>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM >>>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>>> To: >>>>> Cc: >>>>> >>>>>> admin posted: "Let?s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom is >>>>>> fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of members. >>>>>> Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold events >>>>>> within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend" >>>>>> New post on The Midrealm Gazette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L >>>>>> >>>>> ruary-as-l/> >>>>>> by admin >>>>>> Let?s talk about event scheduling. >>>>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and >>>>>> thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically >>>>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom >>>>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within >>>>>> 200 miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already >>>>>> scheduled. The purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The >>>>>> intent is to help Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in >>>>>> terms of attendance. Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events >>>>>> are scheduled at least 101 miles away from each other. 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URL: From barony at cynnabar.org Thu Jan 28 15:09:17 2016 From: barony at cynnabar.org (Cynnabar Seneschal via Barony) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Cynnabar] 20160125 Barony of Cynnabar Meeting Message-ID: Sorry this is later than I would wish. It is a busy week here. Kay 20160125 Barony of Cynnabar Anno Societatis L Center Room, Pierpont Commons. Workshops 6:30 to 7:15. 7 attendees Meeting 7:30- 8:30. 13 attendees *Workshop Topics:* Tonight was* Good Books for Medievalists, by Mistress Kay.* ? Please join us at 6:30 for an interesting topic before each meeting. ? Please tell *Baroness Hannah* if you would like to present a workshop. All topics are of interest. ? We can get a Screen if anyone wishes one for their workshop. It may be possible to get a projector, too. Please discuss with Baroness Hannah. *Feb 8 -* *Middle Eastern Dance Basics with Lady Fatima. *Work on some dances prior to Terp! Learn some basic Middle Eastern dance steps as an introduction to what can be learned at Terpsichore. Dance level (either beginner or more advanced) will be chosen day of class depending on who's in attendance. *Feb 15 - European Dance with Mistress Alina.* Review some of the dances from the Terpsichore ball lists in advance of the event. Dance level (either beginner or more advanced) will be chosen day of class depending on who's in attendance. *Feb 22 Attending Court as a Newcomer.* Attending court for the first time? Get a quick overview on what to do, learn who's who on the dais, and what to do should you be called into the presence. *Activity, Event & Demo Reports* Garb Workday on Saturday had 12 people in the shop. A great turnout, says Ermenrich. Newcomer?s Day on Sunday was very successful. 11 newcomers had to share handouts. Ermenrich met 6 or 7 new names and says attendees enjoyed being the focus of the session. Almost all were students. Sarah brought 4. At least one reported finding us through North Fest. [SEE Chatelaine Report for recruiting discussion] There were many speakers. A repeat of this should add activities, reduce lecture time. Be more hands-on. *Upcoming Baronial Events and Demos Upcoming Baronial Events and Demos* *Terpsichore at the Tower (March 5, 2016)* St Paul United Church of Christ, Saline, MI Ceara is event steward. Budget $1000 1/18/16 CHANGE to $2500 (Final TBD). Break even 84 Adults. 1/18/16 CHANGE to 182 Adults No Site Change per Ceara, after the Tuesday site visit by Claire ? *Website to be changed* to indicate the *Member Discount Rate*. Aaron will handle. SEE St Cecilia item for discussion ? Schedule will have to change due to Their Majesties wishes *St. Cecilia at the Tower (Sat April 30- Sun May 1, 2016)* St Paul United Church of Christ, Saline, MI Mistress Jadwiga is event steward. Budget $400. Break even 67 Adults. No event updates, but started a discussion of recent ruling on Non Member Surcharge. Giovanna reports it has been stated clearly that groups may advertise that Member prices are a Discount, rather than that Non Members are charged extra (much better marketing). The NMS must be paid, even if the group chooses not to charge attendees, and we do not need to call it a surcharge. This affects St Cecilia, because gate is a donation. Aaron says that the event will track and pay the surcharge for non members. He will change the event web page to indicate that there is a discount for members, but there is no set gate fee, just a recommendation. We will put an item on the February agenda to Change Cynnabar Financial Policy to always advertise Member Discount. Giovanna said that was the recommended way to handle this at the group level. *Old Business* *Search for Minster of Youth Office* ? no News *Search for Cynnabar Pursuivant** ? Grey is interested.* *Archery Marshal for Cynnabar:* Lady Godaeth Wisfaest. *2nd of 3 Meetings* No negative remarks. Grey gave a strong recommendation of Godaeth?s organizational skills and passion for archery. ?Let her do it, she will be great.? Grey promised to continue working with archers as a trainer. *New Business* Proposal for Grand Day of Tournaments. *The complete document is attached at the end of the Minutes. These are NOTES* *for various sections of the document*. This Proposal INCLUDES training activities for Future Stewards, as a workshop series and opportunities to shadow staff members. DATE: The home football game is a minor school; Maryland. Directions need to account for the game. VISION: Have lots of pools, more list fields. How can we improve that and still have space for some seating? Use the format from Crown? It needs lots of help to set up court. STAFF: Add a Hospitality person and greeters to walk people through to the farmers market if they come to our door. Be prepared to explain the event, Society. Set up and Teardown Leader. Post GDoT 2015 discussion suggests this should be the same person or team leading both efforts, so what came in and how to put it away is known. ADD a Minion to the Prizes/ Prize Coordinator team, so their Excellencies have help that day. BUDGET: Add a Prize budget. After discussion $300 was set, to provide top prizes for Rapier Grand Tourney and Armored Pools (or whatever we call the main tourney), and maybe Thrown Weapons. Lunch Tavern will be a separate proposal. This actually made about $70 last year. QUESTIONS Raised by Kay: Is there a way to move day camps out of the main hall to make more list space? Would it be possible to create performance spaces for musicians to schedule? Could we request strolling players? *Other Group Discussion* *How can we best get news to Newcomers? *They may not be on the email list. Are we using Facebook effectively? Website is updated. SEE Officers Reports Webminister. *Spring Revel 2016* DATE TBD ? Their Excellencies are soliciting bids for the Spring Revel. Bids due 2/8/16. ? Island Park New Shelter is being HELD for us on Sunday April 17, 2016. o When I give Parks Customer Service Center *our Tax number* it will be charged as if we were a city resident, $137 for the whole day. o 734.794.6230 *Grand Day of Tournaments 2016 (Sat Nov 5, 2016)* Liberty School, Ann Arbor Saline Road, Saline, MI ? Event proposals are due today *Pentemere 12th Night 2017* DATE TBD ? Bids should be submitted by the first week of March. ? A Site is not yet Booked *Status check on Approved Budget Items: * *Baronial Trailer* Budget $3500-$3950 Black, 5?x12?x6? single axle covered, lights, hitch kit. ? No News ? *The build has been delayed by availability of the siding.* Second half of payment will be $1810. About $390 under budget, allowing us to get the registration. ? *Registration & Insurance:* Kay needs empty weight of trailer, bill of sale, any docs we get, etc. She will get State Registration and send to SCA Inc for insurance. *Shall we make a Royal Travel Fund Donation*? Ermenrich 10% of treasury, *about $1000* ? Tabled to 4/2016, until Terpsichore costs are known* @ 2nd of 3 Meetings* *Stickers with the Baronial Populace Badge* (and maybe name?) $60-100 ? No discussion *Shall the Barony donate $250 of Baronial Funds to support 50 Year Celebration in July? *This is for the General Fund of the event, no specific activity. ? *Ilse cut a check. Ermenrich will get it mailed. DONE* *Announcements:* None not covered elsewhere. *Officer Reports January 25, 2016* (normally done on 4th Monday of each month) Exchequer (Ilse) ? $11,873.33 Baroness Briana is paid (I think this says?) Webminister (Aaron) ? New Website. The latest revision to the Barony of Cynnabar website makes it easier for newcomers than ever, and it is Now MOBILE Friendly. Kay plans to test it out today. The site is now easier to administer. Aaron is working on the calendar. His next big project rollout is the new, easier to use, Cynnabar Oder of Precedence. This is what is taking up all his Society time now. Fencing Marshal (William) ? Min A&S (Aeffe) ?My quarterly report was submitted on the 15th of January and I received a reply from the regional A&S minister. I met with Their Excellencies to discuss ideas for the office and to answer questions. I attended and introduced myself at the new member meeting on January 23. Min. Youth (Open) ? Chatelaine (Daye) ? We should certainly do Newcomer?s Day again. It?s time to reinstate the student focused Revel on campus, too. How productive are Festifall, Northfest? Let?s evaluate. Northfest this year may have been best, because it was near Engineering, Arts and Theatre buildings, fellow geeks. Can we focus student recruiting on going where they are? Attend other groups with similar interests and tell them about the SCA? Can we get students more involved in student recruiting? ?Adult? volunteers set up Festifall, but students man the table? Use more performances at all recruiting activities. Overall Cynnabar is in good shape for recruiting activities. Chronicler (Gavriil) ? The Newsletter page had an issue, but Gavriil got it fixed as soon as it was reported to him. Kay hears he is trying to get another issue out fast. I bet he wants content. I shall send him some. Herald (Johannes) ? Seeking a new Herald Knight Marshal (Gregor) ? Reports via Gregoire that he is often transporting loaner gear for people who do not come and then having to find gear for people who did not request in advance. Please reserve armor if you want to practice. It would be *courteous* to arrange to Meet Gregor at his car as he arrives and carry gear in. Archery Marshal (Open) ? Grey and Godaeth report a plan to start shooting at Dillon?s in April. A Make your own Arrow plan waits on a place to do it. Coating arrows with varnish needs to be done outdoors, and then the arrows dried for a week. Archers may borrow fletching jigs for 1 week to put on their feathers and points, then the set up goes to the nest person. Good Plan! Kay will check again with Kingdom Seneschal about posting practice with a contact number for the address. Seneschal (Kay) ? Trailer covered above. *Should we revisit the Meeting Site?* Numbers dropped rather than increase. Even people urging us to move out of Classic Cup do not attend. We lost some folks I think were on the west side of town. Parking is not convenient. I am researching where Other Baronies meet. Baron and Baroness (Kasha and Ermenrich) ? Please write recommendation to Their Majesties, for Terpsichore. We do not expect to do any awards at Baronial Court at this time. We are still a Barony. Grand Day of Tournaments Proposal 01/25/2016 Presented by Giovanna *Date*: 11/05/2016 *Location*: Liberty School (already penciled in) *Event Steward*: Mistress Giovanna Adimari *Vision*: How do we come together to offer participants fighting at the level and quantity of Candlemas, but also offering them the pomp and circumstance and atmosphere that would historically surround large tournaments? In addition to providing fun activities and opportunities for non-combatants, this year?s Grand Day of Tournaments will fuse heraldry, music and arts and sciences alongside the tournaments that they support. *Staff*: Event Steward - Giovanna First Deputy - Johannes Gate - Heraldry - Music Coordinator - Heavy MIC - Gregoire Fencing MIC - Birke Thrown Weapons - Grey Fighting Hospitality - Godaeth Lunch Tavern - Ilse/Hannah Royalty Liaison - Daye Prizes/Prize Coordinators - Their Excellencies Gambling - Haus Lowenstoltz Hospitality - Set-Up/Tear-Down - List Tables - Mistresses Claire A&S Coordinator - Merchants? - *Budget*: Site: $1250 Photocopies: $25 Fighter Food: $30 Prize money: $300 Fudge money: $130 **Total budget requested: $1735 *Rate of Return*: Site fee: $10 (adult, member) Break even: 174 *Tentative Schedule*: 9:00 - Gate open 9:00 - 10:00 - Authorizations/List check-in 10:00 - Opening Ceremonies 11:00 - Tournaments begin 11:00 - 2:00 - Lunch Tavern 4:00 - Tournament end 4:30/5:00 - Court (at the pleasure of Royalty) 7:30 - Site ends *Additional Information*: Tentative workshops based on this year?s event: - How to Run Gate - Lunch Tavern/Feast - Baroness Hannah - Royalty at an Event - Putting the Event back in Events - Maximizing Heraldry - Running List Tables -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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