[Cynnabar] Searching for a new Meeting site.

Tue Mar 7 21:07:44 UTC 2017

*This is in answer to Aeffe's question about population distribution within
the Barony.*

This information is current as of *August 2015.* (I don't have more updated
figures handy, but I can produce them if needed, given some time.)

Total Cynnabar Population = 208

   - Reside within Cynnabar ZIP Codes = 119
   - Reside outside Cynnabar ZIP Codes = 24
   - Location of residence unknown = 65

Distribution within Cynnabar ZIP Codes

   - 24 people - 48197 (Ypsilanti & Rawsonville)
   - 18 people - 48103 (Ann Arbor, Delhi, Loch Alpine, Lodi Township, &
   Scio Township)
   - 14 people - 48108 (Ann Arbor & Pittsfield Township)
   - 13 people - 48105 (Ann Arbor, Ann Arbor Township, Barton Hills,
   Dixboro, & Superior Township)
   - 10 people - 48198 (Ypsilanti, Willow Run, Superior Township, &
   Superior Township)
   - 9 people - 48176 (Saline)
   - 7 people - 48104 (Ann Arbor & Pittsfield Township)
   - 6 people - 48118 (Chelsea, Freedom Township, Lima Center, Lima
   Township, Luce Township, Lyndon Township, & Sylvan Township)
   - 5 people - 48130 (Dexter, Dover, Four Mile Lake, Hudson Mills, Scio, &
   Webster)
   - 4 people - 48170 (Plymouth)
   - 3 people - 48160 (Milan, Augusta Township, Cone, London Township,
   Milan Township, Mooreville, Oakville, Stony Creek, & York Township)
   - 2 people - 48187 (Canton & Canton Township)
   - 2 people - 48189 (Whitmore Lake, Hamburg, Northfield Township, &
   Hamburg Township)
   - 1 person - 48167 (Northville & Northville Township)
   - 1 person - 48387 (Novi)

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Greg Less via Barony <barony at cynnabar.org>
wrote:

> I believe that HE Hannah brings up a good point that if we move to
> Sidetracks, we will likely be killing the pre-meeting workshop.
>
> I think that if we are unable to hold the workshop before the business
> meetings we should be sure to find a time and venue where they can continue
> to be held. Arts and Sciences and sharing of our collective knowledge is a
> cornerstone of what makes the SCA special.
>
> During the winter months, if we are able to continue practicing at the
> Union, it is convenient to hold the workshops in the Opera Room. That
> doesn't give us a solution for summer though, when practice attendance
> drops to near zero and we are outside, slave to the vagaries of Michigan
> weather and bereft of electricity.
>
> -Gregoire.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Greg Less <greg.less at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In my opinion, the biggest incentive to attending meetings would be
>> honest, lively debate over issues and proposals as opposed to our current
>> trend to simply rubber stamp everything that gets put forward. Without
>> discussion and debate, the three meeting process is an out-dated formality
>> that should be gotten rid of. Indeed, at this point the entire meeting is a
>> relic from a bygone era that could be easily replaced by email - IF - there
>> isn't substantial opposition at least occasionally brought forth to the
>> proposals and ideas being given for consideration.
>>
>> We seem to currently view any push back or criticism of an idea as a bad
>> thing. I assert that critical conversation is how we improve ideas and make
>> them even stronger. If only the most ill-conceived proposals are ever
>> spoken against, I believe it is the process that is the heart of the
>> problem.
>>
>> How does this increase attendance at meetings? If you like an idea being
>> proposed, you will attend to be certain that it isn't shut down by an
>> opposing opinion. If you don't like an idea, you will be sure to attend to
>> make sure that the barony doesn't commit to an activity that will only
>> bring heartache and infamy to the group. Participation at events will
>> like-wise increase because a well fleshed out and debated event proposal
>> that has been agreed upon by our traditional consensus model is something
>> that the entire group has come together to, in some small way, create.
>>
>> -Gregoire.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony <
>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone --
>>>
>>> I had the chance just now to go back and read the archived discussions
>>> regarding the 2015 proposal to move from Classic Cup ... or change the
>>> meeting night in order to remain at Classic Cup.  I read back through
>>> previous years, when the group moved from the League to Borders to CC ...
>>> and part of what I noticed was a comment that a meeting attendance of 5-8
>>> people is low (from historical trends).  Maybe we're working the wrong
>>> problem.  Without denying that it's time to consider moving the meeting
>>> itself (as Ilse suggests, the U is not ideal for many), suppose we also
>>> consider what would bring people to the meetings?
>>>
>>> A week ago or so, someone commented in the Facebook group that a
>>> business meeting that started at 7:30pm and went to 9 really didn't hold
>>> much attraction.  Maybe having workshops has been well-intentioned but the
>>> *critical synergy* is 1) a "fun" venue and 2) a chance for group meals &
>>> socializing, as we used to do at Classic Cup.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts and questions.  Do we need "incentives" to come to
>>> meetings?  And: How does having a separate student group on campus affect
>>> the Baronial meetings (if at all)?
>>>
>>> --Godaeth
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Margaret Kelly via Barony <
>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just curious, what are the other member population centers in the
>>>> Barony?  Is Ypsi/Pittsfield the biggest?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony <
>>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see a barrier to the room. I was speaking directly to the
>>>>> owner. She mentioned that other groups use the space for meetings. I
>>>>> explained we were planning on 3 Mondays a month.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a long tradition of service and fraternal organizations
>>>>> meeting in restaurants.  Lions Clubs, Optomists, Rotary... in fact Cynnabar
>>>>> did a short series of talks on historical topics for the Chelsea Rotary
>>>>> Club 20 years ago.  We would be following in this path.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am proposing we try this for our next meeting, and see if it enables
>>>>> more or different people to attend. Perhaps this will revitalize our
>>>>> decision-making process.
>>>>>
>>>>> What other questions should we All talk about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Kay
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2017 3:10 PM, "Carol Perry Lagemann" <
>>>>> carolanneperry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One nice thing about that location is that we have a large cluster of
>>>>>> members living near that area. (I know of 34 members who live in Ypsilanti.
>>>>>> Plus another 41 live in Pittsfield Township, which is close by.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For everyone's reference, it looks like Sidetrack is about a 2-minute
>>>>>> walk from the nearest bus stop on Route 4, and a 10-minute walk from the
>>>>>> nearest bus stop on Route 5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would we be able to reliably reserve the room on Monday nights?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Kay Jarrell via Barony <
>>>>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been thinking about other places that we could hold Cynnabar
>>>>>>> meetings. Our criteria are that the space be free, have closer parking, and
>>>>>>> be accessible. Food service would be nice. A room or our own is important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today I asked Sidetrack Tap in Depot Town, Ypsilanti about using
>>>>>>> their space.  They have a smaller meeting room that would hold our typical
>>>>>>> meeting count of 15-20.  This room is in their third storefront and has an
>>>>>>> assortment of tables and an attached bathroom. The space is closed off by
>>>>>>> double French doors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Food service is of course available.
>>>>>>> The parking lot is across the street.
>>>>>>> I attended a class meeting there a couple years back and it seemed
>>>>>>> suitable.
>>>>>>> The owner is willing to host us on an "order as you wish" basis. I
>>>>>>> reported that when we met in the Classic Cup some members ordered meals,
>>>>>>> others just beverages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are members of the Barony interested  trying this as a change from
>>>>>>> Pierpont Commons?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please reply to All so we can discuss.
>>>>>>> Any messages meant only for My Eyes would be best sent separately
>>>>>>> from this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Kay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Kay Jarrell*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4363 Lyndon Lane  Ann Arbor, MI 48105
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kjarrell at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>> Ann Arbor, MI 48109
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