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They hardly weigh anything and you can probably stuff at least two of the three into each helm. The remainder will squish in pretty much anywhere. Wearing a helm that fits poorly is not only dangerous, it also causes new people to get a bad idea of what fighting is like. Too big and it slops around, making them feel very awkward. Too tight and the foam may compress to where metal can connect on skull.<div><br></div><div>Trust me. It's worth a few ounces.</div><div><br></div><div>As for bulk, the current loaner armor design that was chosen didn't seem to pre-plan for that very well. We could have bought or made armor that was more flexible and collapsed smaller. I agree with Uillec that this ought to be a main concern since we are expecting someone to haul it around each week. It is no trivial task.</div><div><br></div><div>RanthulfR</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 24, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Kevin Lemon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Looks like a great loaner/starter helm for the price to me. Should we slate money for chin straps and padding also why we are at it? <br><br> While I agree with RanthulR that heads come in different shapes as well as sizes, I think it would be a pain in the butt having to haul around 6 padded liners and 2 helms along with the 3 sets of loaner armour 2 swords and 1 shield that are already part of the loaner gear. My old helm which Jamie uses at practice is too large for her so she wears her fencing hood under it. This may be another option to accommodate different size heads for 1 size helm.<br> <br>Speaking of shields I guess we should consider getting a second loaner shied also.<br><br>Uillec<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Randy Asplund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:randyasplund@comcast.net">randyasplund@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"> From what I see in the pictures, this shape could work very well. Thanks for the post Jason, and the help Edward.<div><br></div><div>RanthulfR</div><div><br></div><div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div><div>On May 24, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Jason Jeppesen wrote:</div> <br><blockquote type="cite">Thank you Ed. <br><br>Irenfest<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Ed Roehre <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lorddenby@gmail.com" target="_blank">lorddenby@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> RanthulfR,<br> <br> Here's the link Jason wanted I believe.<br> <div><br> <a href="http://www.ashcraftbaker.com/12g%20Spangen.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ashcraftbaker.com/12g%20Spangen.htm</a><br> <br> </div>Edward<br> <br> ============<br> <br> Somnio Serviens,<br> <br> Deawfast Hlaford (HL) Edward Aelredson of Denby<br> mka Ed Roehre<br> Protege to HE Mistress Elena de Vexin, OP<br> <div><br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: <a href="mailto:barony-bounces@cynnabar.org" target="_blank">barony-bounces@cynnabar.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:barony-bounces@cynnabar.org" target="_blank">barony-bounces@cynnabar.org</a>]On<br> Behalf Of Randy Asplund<br> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:43 AM<br> To: Barony of Cynnabar<br> Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] Proposed Armoured combat Helms<br> <br> <br> Jason, I'm sorry, but the link you posted didn't work. 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