<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Science fiction conventions often do something like this. If you actually do X amount of work, depending on which convention you get a discount or you get a full complimentary membership. The two big advantages are that it is an encouragement to get people to work, and it helps those who would otherwise have trouble paying the entry fee. The reason it works is because the person has a MINIMUM that they have to contribute before they earn the money back. It is not done up front because you can't count on people to always follow through, and then they have little incentive to earn it after they have the discount or the free entry.<div><br></div><div>How does this relate to SCA? Well, it generally doesn't make sense for 4 reasons:</div><div><br></div><div>1) The financial burden on SCA people is much less to get in the gate (often $3-$8 for SCA vs. $45-$50 for SF Cons)</div><div>2) We usually see each other more often and tend to volunteer more to help each other and the group, so getting volunteers is less f a problem.</div><div>3) In most SCA events the local attendees of the event are a big portion of the attendee, vs. SF cons which draw much larger crowds. We count on local attendee fees to help make the expenses back.</div><div>4) SF cons last ll weekend, so a smaller proportion of your event is chewed up by volunteering than may be at an SCA event.</div><div><br></div><div>I said it "generally" doesn't make sense for SCA. I didn't mean that as a blanket statement. There are a few positions at an event that are full time, and these people wok so hard I think they deserve a FULL comp f site and feast. They include the Autocrat, the Full time feast staff, and the officer running the main theme of the event (such as the Marshal in Charge at a fighting event). Likewise, iif the troll is the same person for 8 hours, they also ought to at least get their site fee.</div><div><br></div><div>For the rest of us who do a fair bit, but not to that level of participation, I remember and believe in the old attitude that we are the host of a party. Therefore, it is our turn to do some work. When other groups host a party, then we can act as guests, but we are not guests at our own party. Everyone who pitches in a little reduces the load on someone else who is doing more. The rest of us working the event should not need to escape the financial responsibility of putting on that party by passing "the bucK" to our guests.</div><div><br></div><div>RanthulfR</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Shefferly, Charles wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; ">Greg—<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Does "discounted site fee" = "comp'ed site fee" in exchequer speak, or does it mean something else?<br><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; "> No. Discounted means just that it’s a discounted fee, they still pay something toward the event.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; ">It’s been on every Terp proposal since 2007.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; ">But, if the group wants to expand the “discount” to everyone that SIGNS up for a shift to work, then I have no problem with it.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Greg Less [<a href="mailto:greg.less@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:greg.less@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:28 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shefferly, Charles<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Anne Stevenson; cynnabar<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Cynnabar] Weekly Meeting Minutes for September 12, 2011<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hi Aelfric--<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Does "discounted site fee" = "comp'ed site fee" in exchequer speak, or does it mean something else?<br><br>Either way, the issue stands that if a reduced site fee is being offered to some people who spend some or all of their day working, it should probably be offered to everyone who spends the some or all of the day working. <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-Gregoire. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Shefferly, Charles <<a href="mailto:CShefferly@lear.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">CShefferly@lear.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: blue; ">Correction:</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: blue; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: blue; ">The instructors receive a “discounted” site fee</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: blue; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; 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