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Well said by all. Warder Arnold mentioned needing smaller fencing
masks for the younger fencers. I own two practice blades that I will
donate to the barony, especially since my daughter now uses steel
weapons.<br>
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I think a youth fighting program could only benefit the barony.
Further discussion and planning of course is needed.<br>
<br>
Johannes<br>
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On 11/17/2011 2:21 PM, Randy Asplund wrote:
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To encourage youth fighting in Cynnabar, just start
hosting a once-a-month youth practice. Publicize it
throughout Michigan and Ohio groups and hold it on a
*different* week than the Detroit youth practice.<br>
<br>
Marshal activities all fall under the Marshalate, not
under Children’s Activities. A Youth Authorized
Marshal with a full understanding of the armor &
weapons requirements should run this, not a Minister
of Youth.<br>
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<br>
<b>Youth Rapier:<br>
</b>Warder Arnold and Warder Miguel are both Youth
Authorized Fencing Marshals.<br>
<br>
The armor for adult and youth rapier is the same, only
the weapons are different. So the Barony’s loaner
equipment is suitable for youth. The biggest issue
here is that fencing is a well-attended practice and
sometimes fencers (of all ages) have to wait for their
turn in armor.<br>
<br>
The fencers as a group have been very welcoming to my
children and the friends they’ve brought to practice.
They have been very willing to work with and teach
them. I daresay there’s already a youth rapier
practice in Cynnabar; it’s just mixed in with the
regular one. Still, I think a monthly designated
youth rapier practice would be well-attended.<br>
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<br>
<b>Youth Heavy Fighting:<br>
</b>A newbie doesn’t need armor to hold a sword and
learn to hit a fully-armored fighter. If you get the
interested youths to come to practice, and figure out
ways for them to participate without full armor,
you’re halfway there. Running hands-on classes on
various weapons, shields, long weapons, etc., will all
engage interested new fighters. Then you can get them
armored up one by one.<br>
<br>
With 4 different levels of armor and weapons
requirements, getting loaner armor together is much
more complicated than it is for rapier. It would be a
good idea to write up a one-page summary of armor
requirements for each age group, with an emphasis on
regular sports equipment that can be purchased. This
would be helpful to newbie parents, who might just go
purchase needed equipment. This is especially true of
the younger ages, where most of the armor is easy and
inexpensive to buy.<br>
<br>
<br>
One of the biggest hitches to recruiting interested
youth fighters is that you also have to recruit their
parents. It would be a good idea to know whether you
want to recruit all ages of youth (from 6-18) or if
you just want to concentrate on teens.<br>
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This is my 2 cents, based on my experiences with my
kids in youth combat and fencing.<br>
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--Sunnifa (Charlotte)<br>
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On 11/16/11 7:57 PM, "Randy Asplund" <<a
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mention- Actually, I believe that Ld. Arnold is a
Youth Fencing Marshal, so I am not the only Youth
Marshal.<br>
<br>
I'm writing from Craft Night and there is a little
talk going on right now posing the question of
wether the group might like to add a Minister of
Youth so we could have someone who can help
coordinate activities for the children of the
Barony.<br>
<br>
Just food for thought (to go with the pizza we just
had and the home-made apple pie & ice cream we
are about to have...)<br>
<br>
RanthulfR<br>
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to far down this path of buying and prepping... do
we actually have any youth that are interested in
fighting, are in the same age division as other
youths and have parents that are willing to commit
to making sure we have critical mass? Furthermore,
the barony has exactly one authorized youth
marshal. The authorization process, not to mention
the background check, make the prospect of us
getting more seem slim at best.<br>
<br>
So, I guess my question is - why are we
considering this and who plans on supporting?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
-Gregoire.<br>
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I was just out at Share House on Jackson d. the
other day and they had a lot of hockey helmets
and other stuff for CHEAP.<br>
<br>
RanthulfR<br>
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Recycle Ann Arbor has youth hockey helmets
(usually 2 or 3) on the shelf nearly everytime
I go there. Hockey pants and elbow and knee
pads as well. <br>
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<br>
I'm not in a position right now to
volunteer for anything, but in the future I
would be interested in getting a youth combat
authorization / marshalette. I've already
been background checked to death from working
at CPS, and would certainly be willing to do
it again. <br>
<br>
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Best, <br>
Hjorleif <br>
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On November 16, 2011 at 3:27 PM Randy
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> Unto the members of the Barony,
Greetings from Sir RanthulfR, Youth <br>
> Marshal, etc. <br>
> <br>
> At our last Baronial meeting we had a
discussion about promoting Youth <br>
> fighting in both boffer and rapier in
Cynnabar. I volunteered to write <br>
> to Lord Nylas Kazmer, the Kingdom
& Pentamere officer responsible for <br>
> Youth Combat, and ask his advice. The
following is my letter to him <br>
> and his reply back (posted with
permission). I am forwarding it to you <br>
> all because it is a bit much for
reporting at a meeting, and it <br>
> affects many who are not regular at
the meetings. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:34 PM,
Randy Asplund wrote: <br>
> > <br>
> >> Hi Kazmer, <br>
> >> <br>
> >> This is a scoping out kind of
letter. I just got back from the <br>
> >> Cynnabar weekly business
meeting. The subject of demos for boy <br>
> >> scouts came up. I suggested
that we talk to youth fighters in the <br>
> >> area and see if any wanted to
be in a demo for kids close to their <br>
> >> age. That inspired a long
discussion about what we could do to get <br>
> >> youth fighting going here. <br>
> >> <br>
> >> We all recognize that we have
parents bring kids around every once <br>
> >> in a while, the kids are
enthused, but we have no loaner gear or <br>
> >> youth of the right age/size
for them to spar with. The people at <br>
> >> the meeting all want to have
the barony be ready to provide youth <br>
> >> fighting, but we just don't
seem to have the youth critical mass to <br>
> >> accomplish it. <br>
> >> <br>
> >> I suggested that we point
parents to the materials online so they <br>
> >> could become familiar with
armor & weapon standards and learn the <br>
> >> rules. Then we would send
them to the larger youth practices when <br>
> >> they are held out near
Detroit. My thought being that once we had a
<br>
> >> few doing that, we wold gain
the critical mass locally to pt it <br>
> >> together here with
regularity. <br>
> >> <br>
> >> The concern expressed by the
others was that once they went out to <br>
> >> Detroit, -if indeed the
parents could be talked into that drive- <br>
> >> they wold keep going there
instead of settling here, even after <br>
> >> local opponents were found.
<br>
> >> <br>
> >> I asked if they would like me
to write to you to see if you might <br>
> >> have some helpful suggestions
on how to get our group "over the <br>
> >> hump" so to speak. <br>
> >> <br>
> SNIP <br>
> >> Have you any advice or
thoughts on it? <br>
> >> <br>
> >> RanthulfR <br>
> >> <br>
> <br>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Lord
Kazmer wrote: <br>
> <br>
> Sir RanthulfR, <br>
> <br>
> Achieving a “critical mass” is always
the problem with youth combat. <br>
> Nothing is more frustrating for the
kids than not having anyone to <br>
> play with. One of the reasons that
youth combat has been successful <br>
> at the Roaring Waste practice is that
we draw from several groups. No <br>
> one group usually has enough kids for
a viable practice but by drawing <br>
> on the surrounding groups the critical
mass can be achieved. The <br>
> Roaring Waste practice is really a
regional practice and by holding it <br>
> once a month we can sort of
concentrate participation. There is a <br>
> limit to how far parents will drive
though, probably less than an hour. <br>
> <br>
> Some of the marshals in Andelcrag are
trying to get a Baronial youth <br>
> combat practice started out there
because, again, they don’t have <br>
> enough kids in any one group but the
barony as a whole has quite a <br>
> few. They want to try the once a
month model but are having trouble <br>
> settling on when and where. <br>
> <br>
> An Ann Arbor practice could also draw
in other groups. I know there <br>
> are interested kids in Talonval and
Weald Lake. Some have come to my <br>
> practice on occasion. A trip to Ann
Arbor would be much more feasible <br>
> for these parents than to come to my
practice. You could also draw <br>
> from Brackendelve. The Detroit area
youth combat practice is always <br>
> the last Sunday of the month. If
Cynnabar started a monthly practice, <br>
> the second Sunday for example, those
who are inclined to could attend <br>
> both. Some of the kids who come to my
practice would attend more than <br>
> one a month if available, but we have
been reluctant to hold ours more <br>
> often for fear of losing that
“critical mass”. When we started, about <br>
> 12 years ago, we had my son Bill, and
Maximilian’s son Odd. Those two <br>
> got awfully tired of only having the
other to fight with. As time <br>
> went on, and with the availability of
loaner gear, we got more kids to <br>
> play. One of the “problems” with YC
is that the kids do age-out. <br>
> About three years ago we had a bunch
of division 3 kids at my <br>
> practice. Then they started turning
18 and were gone. Leoric from <br>
> Weald Lake was the last one. Now my
oldest regular participants are <br>
> 14, but I have 5 or 6 more right
behind them in division 2. Wait a <br>
> couple years and I’ll have a bunch of
division 3 kids again. <br>
> <br>
> On-line information for parents is
somewhat lacking, other than the <br>
> kingdom rules. This is an area which
I want to correct. I hope to <br>
> get some more resources posted to the
kingdom website. <br>
> Loaner gear seems to be the key.
Parents are dis-inclined to spend <br>
> money on gear until they are sure that
their child is actually going <br>
> to stick with it. I’ve suited up many
a child over the years who, <br>
> after one practice, decided they would
rather do fencing or archery. <br>
> <br>
> Accumulating gear is a slow process,
my stash is about 12 years in the <br>
> making. I started by asking for
donations of old sports gear. I got <br>
> more roller-blading elbow and knee
pads than I needed initially. <br>
> Hawkland Moor authorized me to spend
up to $75 which I used to buy <br>
> hockey helmets at Play-it-Again
Sports. I’ve also hit garage sales <br>
> and flea markets for most of the rest.
The only armor that isn’t <br>
> commercially available are gorgets,
but I’ll bet that some of your <br>
> local fighters have scrap leather and
barrel plastic lying around and <br>
> could throw together a few. Someone
from Cynnabar would need to step <br>
> up and be the point person for the
program. This should be a youth <br>
> marshal with a background check (you
need one of those present <br>
> anyway). Assistance can then come
from parents, fighters, and other <br>
> adults. Remember, you don’t have to
be a warranted youth marshal to <br>
> work with the kids, just to “spar”
with them. <br>
> <br>
> What can I do to help you get started?
Would you like me to attend <br>
> one of your baronial meetings to
discuss this with the group? I would <br>
> also be willing to attend one of your
practices and bring my loaner <br>
> gear, although I can’t make a regular
practice of this. Boy scout <br>
> demos can be a fertile recruiting
field. Over the last few years I’ve <br>
> had several families get started in
SCA because the kids were <br>
> introduced to youth combat either at
demos or by friends in the SCA. <br>
> Little known fact: most of the kids in
youth combat do not have a <br>
> parent who fights. <br>
> <br>
> I will be teaching a class at 12th
Night in January for parents and <br>
> kids who are interested in learning
about the program. As part of <br>
> that class I am working on a set of
hand-outs on how to find or make <br>
> youth combat gear. I plan to post
these on-line eventually. <br>
> <br>
> At the very least, lets keep talking.
<br>
> <br>
> THL Nyilas Kazmer <br>
> Middle Kingdom Deputy Earl Marshal <br>
> Youth Combat <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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