[Cynnabar] P.S. Youth fighting in Cynnabar

Randy Asplund randyasplund at comcast.net
Thu Nov 17 19:21:48 UTC 2011


Lady Sunnifa,

I just wanted to pass my complements on an extremely well written and  
informative post!

RanthulfR


On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Charlotte Mayhew wrote:

>
> To encourage youth fighting in Cynnabar, just start hosting a once-a- 
> month youth practice.  Publicize it throughout Michigan and Ohio  
> groups and hold it on a *different* week than the Detroit youth  
> practice.
>
> Marshal activities all fall under the Marshalate, not under  
> Children’s Activities.  A Youth Authorized Marshal with a full  
> understanding of the armor & weapons requirements should run this,  
> not a Minister of Youth.
>
>
> Youth Rapier:
> Warder Arnold and Warder Miguel are both Youth Authorized Fencing  
> Marshals.
>
> The armor for adult and youth rapier is the same, only the weapons  
> are different.  So the Barony’s loaner equipment is suitable for  
> youth.  The biggest issue here is that fencing is a well-attended  
> practice and sometimes fencers (of all ages) have to wait for their  
> turn in armor.
>
> The fencers as a group have been very welcoming to my children and  
> the friends they’ve brought to practice.  They have been very  
> willing to work with and teach them.  I daresay there’s already a  
> youth rapier practice in Cynnabar; it’s just mixed in with the  
> regular one.  Still, I think a monthly designated youth rapier  
> practice would be well-attended.
>
>
> Youth Heavy Fighting:
> A newbie doesn’t need armor to hold a sword and learn to hit a fully- 
> armored fighter.  If you get the interested youths to come to  
> practice, and figure out ways for them to participate without full  
> armor, you’re halfway there.  Running hands-on classes on various  
> weapons, shields, long weapons, etc., will all engage interested new  
> fighters.  Then you can get them armored up one by one.
>
> With 4 different levels of armor and weapons requirements, getting  
> loaner armor together is much more complicated than it is for  
> rapier.  It would be a good idea to write up a one-page summary of  
> armor requirements for each age group, with an emphasis on regular  
> sports equipment that can be purchased.  This would be helpful to  
> newbie parents, who might just go purchase needed equipment.  This  
> is especially true of the younger ages, where most of the armor is  
> easy and inexpensive to buy.
>
>
> One of the biggest hitches to recruiting interested youth fighters  
> is that you also have to recruit their parents.  It would be a good  
> idea to know whether you want to recruit all ages of youth (from  
> 6-18) or if you just want to concentrate on teens.
>
>
> This is my 2 cents, based on my experiences with my kids in youth  
> combat and fencing.
>
> --Sunnifa (Charlotte)
>
>
>
>
> On 11/16/11 7:57 PM, "Randy Asplund" <randyasplund at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Oh, I forgot to mention- Actually, I believe that Ld. Arnold is a  
>> Youth Fencing Marshal, so I am not the only Youth Marshal.
>>
>> I'm writing from Craft Night and there is a little talk going on  
>> right now posing the question of wether the group might like to add  
>> a Minister of Youth so we could have someone who can help  
>> coordinate activities for the children of the Barony.
>>
>> Just food for thought (to go with the pizza we just had and the  
>> home-made apple pie & ice cream we are about to have...)
>>
>> RanthulfR
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Greg Less wrote:
>>
>>> Before we get to far down this path of buying and prepping... do  
>>> we actually have any youth that are interested in fighting, are in  
>>> the same age division as other youths and have parents that are  
>>> willing to commit to making sure we have critical mass?  
>>> Furthermore, the barony has exactly one authorized youth marshal.  
>>> The authorization process, not to mention the background check,  
>>> make the prospect of us getting more seem slim at best.
>>>
>>> So, I guess my question is - why are we considering this and who  
>>> plans on supporting?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Gregoire.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Randy Asplund <randyasplund at comcast.net 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, I was just out at Share House on Jackson d. the other  
>>>> day and they had a lot of hockey helmets and other stuff for CHEAP.
>>>>
>>>> RanthulfR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 4:03 PM, andrew at prometheusmotionpictures.com  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Recycle Ann Arbor has youth hockey helmets (usually 2 or 3)  
>>>>> on the shelf nearly everytime I go there.  Hockey pants and  
>>>>> elbow and knee pads as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    I'm not in a position right now to volunteer for anything,  
>>>>> but in the future I would be interested in getting a youth  
>>>>> combat authorization / marshalette.  I've already been  
>>>>> background checked to death from working at CPS, and would  
>>>>> certainly be willing to do it again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Best,
>>>>>    Hjorleif
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    On November 16, 2011 at 3:27 PM Randy Asplund <randyasplund at comcast.net 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    > Unto the members of the Barony, Greetings from Sir  
>>>>> RanthulfR, Youth
>>>>>    > Marshal, etc.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > At our last Baronial meeting we had a discussion about  
>>>>> promoting Youth
>>>>>    > fighting in both boffer and rapier in Cynnabar. I  
>>>>> volunteered to write
>>>>>    > to Lord Nylas Kazmer, the Kingdom & Pentamere officer  
>>>>> responsible for
>>>>>    > Youth Combat, and ask his advice.  The following is my  
>>>>> letter to him
>>>>>    > and his reply back (posted with permission). I am  
>>>>> forwarding it to you
>>>>>    > all because it is a bit much for reporting at a meeting,  
>>>>> and it
>>>>>    > affects many who are not regular at the meetings.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Randy Asplund wrote:
>>>>>    > >
>>>>>    > >> Hi Kazmer,
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    > >> This is a scoping out kind of letter. I just got back  
>>>>> from the
>>>>>    > >> Cynnabar weekly business meeting. The subject of demos  
>>>>> for boy
>>>>>    > >> scouts came up. I suggested that we talk to youth  
>>>>> fighters in the
>>>>>    > >> area and see if any wanted to be in a demo for kids  
>>>>> close to their
>>>>>    > >> age. That inspired a long discussion about what we could  
>>>>> do to get
>>>>>    > >> youth fighting going here.
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    > >> We all recognize that we have parents bring kids around  
>>>>> every once
>>>>>    > >> in a while, the kids are enthused, but  we have no  
>>>>> loaner gear or
>>>>>    > >> youth of the right age/size for them to spar with.  The  
>>>>> people at
>>>>>    > >> the meeting all want to have the barony be ready to  
>>>>> provide youth
>>>>>    > >> fighting, but we just don't seem to have the youth  
>>>>> critical mass to
>>>>>    > >> accomplish it.
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    > >> I suggested that we point parents to the materials  
>>>>> online so they
>>>>>    > >> could become familiar with armor & weapon standards and  
>>>>> learn the
>>>>>    > >> rules. Then we would send them to the larger youth  
>>>>> practices when
>>>>>    > >> they are held out near Detroit. My thought being that  
>>>>> once we had a
>>>>>    > >> few doing that, we wold gain the critical mass locally  
>>>>> to pt it
>>>>>    > >> together here with regularity.
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    > >> The concern expressed by the others was that once they  
>>>>> went out to
>>>>>    > >> Detroit, -if indeed the parents could be talked into  
>>>>> that drive-
>>>>>    > >> they wold keep going there instead of settling here,  
>>>>> even after
>>>>>    > >> local opponents were found.
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    > >> I asked if they would like me to write to you to see if  
>>>>> you might
>>>>>    > >> have some helpful suggestions on how to get our group  
>>>>> "over the
>>>>>    > >> hump" so to speak.
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    > SNIP
>>>>>    > >> Have you any advice or thoughts on it?
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    > >> RanthulfR
>>>>>    > >>
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Lord Kazmer wrote:
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > Sir RanthulfR,
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > Achieving a “critical mass” is always the problem with  
>>>>> youth combat.
>>>>>    > Nothing is more frustrating for the kids than not having  
>>>>> anyone to
>>>>>    > play with.  One of the reasons that youth combat has been  
>>>>> successful
>>>>>    > at the Roaring Waste practice is that we draw from several  
>>>>> groups.  No
>>>>>    > one group usually has enough kids for a viable practice but  
>>>>> by drawing
>>>>>    > on the surrounding groups the critical mass can be  
>>>>> achieved.  The
>>>>>    > Roaring Waste practice is really a regional practice and by  
>>>>> holding it
>>>>>    > once a month we can sort of concentrate participation.   
>>>>> There is a
>>>>>    > limit to how far parents will drive though, probably less  
>>>>> than an hour.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > Some of the marshals in Andelcrag are trying to get a  
>>>>> Baronial youth
>>>>>    > combat practice started out there because, again, they  
>>>>> don’t have
>>>>>    > enough kids in any one group but the barony as a whole has  
>>>>> quite a
>>>>>    > few.  They want to try the once a month model but are  
>>>>> having trouble
>>>>>    > settling on when and where.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > An Ann Arbor practice could also draw in other groups.  I  
>>>>> know there
>>>>>    > are interested kids in Talonval and Weald Lake.  Some have  
>>>>> come to my
>>>>>    > practice on occasion.  A trip to Ann Arbor would be much  
>>>>> more feasible
>>>>>    > for these parents than to come to my practice.  You could  
>>>>> also draw
>>>>>    > from Brackendelve.  The Detroit area youth combat practice  
>>>>> is always
>>>>>    > the last Sunday of the month.  If Cynnabar started a  
>>>>> monthly practice,
>>>>>    > the second Sunday for example, those who are inclined to  
>>>>> could attend
>>>>>    > both.  Some of the kids who come to my practice would  
>>>>> attend more than
>>>>>    > one a month if available, but we have been reluctant to  
>>>>> hold ours more
>>>>>    > often for fear of losing that “critical mass”.  When we  
>>>>> started, about
>>>>>    > 12 years ago, we had my son Bill, and Maximilian’s son  
>>>>> Odd.  Those two
>>>>>    > got awfully tired of only having the other to fight with.   
>>>>> As time
>>>>>    > went on, and with the availability of loaner gear, we got  
>>>>> more kids to
>>>>>    > play.  One of the “problems” with YC is that the kids do  
>>>>> age-out.
>>>>>    > About three years ago we had a bunch of division 3 kids at my
>>>>>    > practice.  Then they started turning 18 and were gone.   
>>>>> Leoric from
>>>>>    > Weald Lake was the last one.  Now my oldest regular  
>>>>> participants are
>>>>>    > 14, but I have 5 or 6 more right behind them in division  
>>>>> 2.  Wait a
>>>>>    > couple years and I’ll have a bunch of division 3 kids again.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > On-line information for parents is somewhat lacking, other  
>>>>> than the
>>>>>    > kingdom rules.  This is an area which I want to correct.  I  
>>>>> hope to
>>>>>    > get some more resources posted to the kingdom website.
>>>>>    > Loaner gear seems to be the key.  Parents are dis-inclined  
>>>>> to spend
>>>>>    > money on gear until they are sure that their child is  
>>>>> actually going
>>>>>    > to stick with it.  I’ve suited up many a child over the  
>>>>> years who,
>>>>>    > after one practice, decided they would rather do fencing or  
>>>>> archery.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > Accumulating gear is a slow process, my stash is about 12  
>>>>> years in the
>>>>>    > making.  I started by asking for donations of old sports  
>>>>> gear.  I got
>>>>>    > more roller-blading elbow and knee pads than I needed  
>>>>> initially.
>>>>>    > Hawkland Moor authorized me to spend up to $75 which I used  
>>>>> to buy
>>>>>    > hockey helmets at Play-it-Again Sports.  I’ve also hit  
>>>>> garage sales
>>>>>    > and flea markets for most of the rest.  The only armor that  
>>>>> isn’t
>>>>>    > commercially available are gorgets, but I’ll bet that some  
>>>>> of your
>>>>>    > local fighters have scrap leather and barrel plastic lying  
>>>>> around and
>>>>>    > could throw together a few.  Someone from Cynnabar would  
>>>>> need to step
>>>>>    > up and be the point person for the program.  This should be  
>>>>> a youth
>>>>>    > marshal with a background check (you need one of those  
>>>>> present
>>>>>    > anyway).  Assistance can then come from parents, fighters,  
>>>>> and other
>>>>>    > adults.  Remember, you don’t have to be a warranted youth  
>>>>> marshal to
>>>>>    > work with the kids, just to “spar” with them.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > What can I do to help you get started?  Would you like me  
>>>>> to attend
>>>>>    > one of your baronial meetings to discuss this with the  
>>>>> group?  I would
>>>>>    > also be willing to attend one of your practices and bring  
>>>>> my loaner
>>>>>    > gear, although I can’t make a regular practice of this.   
>>>>> Boy scout
>>>>>    > demos can be a fertile recruiting field.  Over the last few  
>>>>> years I’ve
>>>>>    > had several families get started in SCA because the kids were
>>>>>    > introduced to youth combat either at demos or by friends in  
>>>>> the SCA.
>>>>>    > Little known fact: most of the kids in youth combat do not  
>>>>> have a
>>>>>    > parent who fights.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > I will be teaching a class at 12th Night in January for  
>>>>> parents and
>>>>>    > kids who are interested in learning about the program.  As  
>>>>> part of
>>>>>    > that class I am working on a set of hand-outs on how to  
>>>>> find or make
>>>>>    > youth combat gear.  I plan to post these on-line eventually.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > At the very least, lets keep talking.
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > THL Nyilas Kazmer
>>>>>    > Middle Kingdom Deputy Earl Marshal
>>>>>    > Youth Combat
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    >
>>>>>    > Randy Asplund
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>>>>>    > Maker of Medieval books and
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Asplund
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