I completely agree to giving more money to help the surrounding SCA groups. What I'm curious of is how this works if we're willing to help. If we give $1160.49 that is technically giving 63% of what we technically have to take from (the initial cost from 2010). So given that. If we give that much, does this lessen the percentage that other groups give? If it does not and the smaller groups are still paying the standard 18% then where and how is the extra 45% used??? And if they still have to pay then wouldn't it make more sense, if we want to help said groups, to pay the 18% then make contributions to the smaller groups who may need the funds?
~Ciara
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:57:43 -0500
From: jmw at wilkersons.ws
To:
Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] BoC - Settlement funding discussion
Thanks for clarifying. In the words of Douglas Adams, "Don't panic."
Johannes
On 2/7/2012 11:50 AM, Hannah Schreiber wrote:
As Finn says, there are many many emails floating
around on Exchequer, Seneschal and the Landed Baron/Baroness
lists...
Know that as your servants we are doing our best to keep
you all informed of what is transpiring in as timely manner as
possible.
Hannah
From:
Dennis Higgins <mortisfan at comcast.net>
To:
barony at cynnabar.org
Sent:
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject:
Re: [Cynnabar] BoC - Settlement funding discussion
Johannes,
There
has been further discussions and dissemination of
information thru normal chain of commands (i.e.
Kingdom officer to regional officer to barony,
etc.). We have been given the deadline of this
weekend by Kingdom.
-Finn
From:
barony-bounces at cynnabar.org
[mailto:barony-bounces at cynnabar.org] On
Behalf Of John Wilkerson
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:43
AM
To: barony at cynnabar.org
Subject: Re: [Cynnabar] BoC -
Settlement funding discussion
I'm confused. The
announcement I read from their Majesties indicated
that kingdom is still exploring fund raising options
and have not yet requested groups to donate funds,
nor has a deadline been announced. Perhaps I misread
the announcement. I would suggest proceeding
cautiously and awaiting further word from kingdom.
Our Seneschal has raised some excellent points for
discussion.
In any event, I think the Baronial dunk tank should
proceed. Perhaps at the spring revel. :)
Johannes
On 2/7/2012 11:30 AM, Randy Asplund wrote:
To make a fair
decision in the amount of time given, it sounds like
the only manageable way without a meeting before the
deadline is to have someone make up a poll and ask
the members for a vote via the poll. It should
explain exactly what the money will be used for and
under what circumstances it may be paid back. If we
don't do at least that much, then it is a financial
decision affecting all but being made by a few.
We've been
blind-sided by this with no time to meet and make
an informed decision. That is "unfortunate," but
this is what we've been given, so let's deal with
it with as much foresight and fairness as possible
in the amount of time given. I would suggest that
if we cannot do this, then the default should be
to comply only with what has been asked for. If we
need to build the SCA with more money afterwards,
then we can still decide to add more funds after
we know more about what they will be used for.
RanthulfR
On Feb 7, 2012,
at 11:15 AM, Cynnabar Seneschal wrote:
Greetings
unto the members of Cynnabar.
As
I’m sure most, if not all, of you are aware,
there has been a settlement of the lawsuit
against the SCA finally. In the end, in
order to meet with the settlement, the SCA
Inc. is requiring all Kingdoms to contribute
18% of their cash assets. This goes down to
the individual group (shire, barony) level.
So Cynnabar must contribute 18% of our cash
assets to Kingdom which will contribute it
to the Society level. This must be done by
this weekend (2/11/12) and we will be
planning on handing a check at Val Day
directly to the Kingdom Exchequer.
As
far as what is our cash assets, it is only
our checking account that falls into that
category, so it makes calculations easy (we
have no CDs or any other liquid assets to
worry about). Now, here comes the fun part…
The
18% calculation is based on the 2010
Doomsday. Our 12/31/2010 balance is $1840.36
which 18% is $331.26.
However
our 2011 balance as of 12/31/2011 is
$6447.15, which 18% is $1160.49
So
our required obligation is only $331.26.
First,
the question of should Cynnabar contribute
more to help the Kingdom and SCA in this
settlement case? There are some things to
keep in mind when considering this:
- This is a
(hopefully) one time situation and the
decision must be made before this weekend.
We do not have any meetings before hand so
all discussions will be done on-line or in
individual phone calls.
- We have
already budgeted $600 to Kingdom (for the
shade fly and travel funds). This was done
before the settlement announcement. So we
are already have funds earmarked for
Kingdom.
- If we
contribute more than the 18%, how much more
should we?
Second,
some individuals have also expressed
interest in contributing to the settlement
funds. There is an investigation going on
right now as the best way to make that
happen. As soon as there is more information
on how this can happen, we’ll let people
know.
I
feel that we should try to keep these
transactions as simple as possible.
Therefore I suggest that:
1. We
determine what amount we will contribute to
the settlement by this weekend and that’s
what we send as far as monies that go
directly to the settlement.
2. Individual
contributions to the settlement should be
made directly to Kingdom/SCA (method TBD).
3. Any
fundraisers or means to replenish the funds
will be done as “normal” Baronial
fundraisers and not tied into the
settlement. We can always know why we are
doing the fundraiser, but it keeps the
records and financial books a lot cleaner.
We can always tithe these monies directly to
the Kingdom later to help replenish our
Kingdom’s coffers.
I
think that if we follow the above three
guidelines, it will keep things clean and
straightforward.
Now,
onto the big discussion. How much should we
contribute to the settlement? The base 18%
of our 2010 numbers ($331.26), or more?
In
my opinion, I feel if we contribute the 18%
of our 2011 budget ($1160.49), it is more
accurate to what the Barony can support to
Kingdom and gives more than what is
minimally required.
I
know that there are some that will feel that
we should only give the required amount and
others that feel we should help out as much
as we can. There will not be 100% agreement
on this. But I’m hoping that the clear
majority of people will let it be known how
the Barony should help out.
All
feedback is needed and appreciated. If you
feel like you need to express your opinion
in person rather than to the group list,
feel free to e-mail or call me (before
10:PM) at any time at 610-564-2249.
For
more details on the lawsuit, the settlement,
and the financial impact this has had on the
SCA, please see:http://sca.org/BOD/announcements/settlement.html
Thanks,
Finn
Seneschal,
Cynnabar
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