[Cynnabar] BoC - Settlement funding discussion

Wed Feb 8 01:34:21 UTC 2012

Hello,

I think that these are both valuable questions. And neither deserve to be
dismissed as relevant to the situation.

The first speaks to the character of our group. And We believe that the
answer to that question is a hearty and resounding "yes". We are most
certainly the kind of group that stands up and helps when there is need.

The second is also a very good question, and as you say difficult to answer
in such a short time. However to address your specific questions:

1) Has kingdom officially asked that groups immediately give above and
beyond if they're capable?

By suggesting that we might give above and beyond if we are able is as
close to an explicit request as we are likely to get because, as was
pointed out, this is not a situation that the SCA has ever dealt with
before. Neither the SCA nor the Kingdom makes a habit of demanding monies
from local groups.

2) How much more value would giving now be over giving in a month?
3) What damage would we be doing by waiting?

These two I think are largely related so I will address together.

We have already been informed that the kingdom funds will be virtually
depleted and a number of projects will be placed on hold. This will also
likely impact royal travel funds and the like. We can request that excess
funds be directed to the kingdom coffers and will be of immediate
assistance to the Royals and others. The benefit to giving now may mean
that the Royals will get to travel to events in the next couple months, or
that Kingdom can pay other outstanding costs unrelated to the lawsuit.

What we stand up and do now will be what is remembered as it pertains to
this situation. This is an unprecedented situation and We feel it deserves
our generous attention. We therefore endorse giving the 18% of the 2011
doomsday for our group which rounded up would be $1200. This will leave us
with plenty to cover the costs of what events we have already planned. The
ideas for fundraisers are also great and should be discussed further.

To address another point that has come up in this discussion.

Some have asked if there is a way for individuals to give directly for
this. The answer is not yet, but it is being worked on and We will pass
along any information regarding that when we receive it.

We have also been asked to attend a meeting with Their Majesties about this
at Val Day. We will of course bring the results of that discussion to the
group at our next meeting.

We remain in Service,

Tairdelbach and Hannah
Baron and Baroness

They deem me mad for I will not sell my days for gold; I deem them mad for
they think my days have a price.
-- Kahlil Gibran

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Monique Rio <mrio at umich.edu> wrote:

> Having reread the thread, the question being asked is "Is Cynnabar the
> kind of group that gives only the minimum required or is it the kind
> of group that gives generously when there is a time of need?"
>
> I think this is the wrong question.
>
> The question should be, "How can we do the most good?"
>
> So far the best reason I've seen for giving more immediately has been
> from Midair
>
>  "There will be more legal fees as they try to get the other insurance
> companies to pay."
>
> And
>
> "The reason for forgoing the discussion period is because the SCA has to
> acquire the funds in 10 days (not sure if that is calendar or work days
> ... sorry). So more money helps ease the strain on Kingdom when they
> have to pay their invoice from Corporate."
>
> and from Finn:
>
> "The Crown has said that those who can give more, may do so."
> Indicating that giving above and beyond would be a reasonable thing to
> do.
>
> So a few questions,
>
> 1) Has kingdom officially asked that groups immediately give above and
> beyond if they're capable?
> 2) How much more value would giving now be over giving in a month?
> 3) What damage would we be doing by waiting?
>
> The main reason I'd prefer to wait is that I'd like to see where our
> surplus money could be best used. We need more information than can be
> given over the internet within a week. I'd prefer waiting until the
> dust settles a bit.
>
> -Jadzia
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Greg Less <greg.less at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The seneschal, Baron, and Baroness of our group have passed along a
> request
> > of our King and Queen.
> >
> > The King and Queen are responding to a directive from the Society Board
> of
> > Directors.
> >
> > The Society Board of Directors are responding to a directive from a
> judge of
> > the United States.
> >
> >
> > We are lucky that we are being given the opportunity to discuss this at
> all.
> > Many other groups in the Known World convened an emergency council and
> > simply wrote a check without ever talking to the populace. Some of them
> for
> > more than the 18% We are lucky that the Kingdom or even the Society
> hasn't
> > simply stepped in and taken the money from our account, since, in the
> end,
> > the account is an SCA, Inc account, not a Cynnabar account. Ultimately,
> if
> > we don't pay, the court will come in and take our money and possibly our
> > non-liquid assets too.
> >
> >
> > Are we discussing whether we should look generous, yeah, of course.
> > Perception is reality, particularly in a Society based on the medieval
> mind
> > set where appearance was everything.
> >
> >
> > -Gregoire.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Monique Rio <mrio at umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Greg Less <greg.less at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> 2) We're telling Kingdom and Corporate that it's OK to spring
> >> >> mandatory payments without a month's notice. DUDE that's not cool. If
> >> >> they'd told us a month in advance we could have, within policy,
> >> >> decided as a group to give them more money at the given time.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Actually, we are telling the judge that it is okay to tell us that if
> we
> >> > don't give the victims their settlement money by the deadline he
> set...
> >> >
> >>
> >> I wouldn't know because we haven't had a meeting to discuss it.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying we shouldn't give the minimum. I'm not saying we
> >> shouldn't give more in the future. I'm saying there's no reason (other
> >> than appearances) why we need to give above and beyond before we've
> >> gone through due process.
> >>
> >> -Jadzia
> >
> >
> >
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