[Cynnabar] Changing the 100 Mile event rule- From KSen, February AS L

Wed Jan 27 14:23:32 UTC 2016

Sir Gregoire,

Well ... from the KSen's statement:

"First, many groups hold two or three events each year. Looking at the
kingdom calendar, some months have more than 15 events scheduled and more
coming. Most groups depend upon the profits of their events to cover the
operating costs for things such as list ropes, live weapon targets, meeting
sites, feast prep equipment, and more.

The overabundance of events is negatively impacting attendance at other
events. Ultimately, this can lead to some chapters folding because they
simply don’t have the ability to cover operating costs.

Second, as a volunteer organization, it can become difficult to stay
enthusiastic for multiple major commitments each year."

Honestly?  It sounds like -- this is my VERY NEGATIVE READ on the
statement:  "People didn't come to our event because they went somewhere
else [within 150 miles] and we lost money.  How can we prevent this?"

Perhaps I'm very wrong and am not giving enough credit to the real problem.

Most Humbly,

Godaeth

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Greg Less <greg.less at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the Curia meeting in-person where
> this was brought up and discussed. The phone connection was poor, at best,
> so I am unable to currently offer any further insight as to *why* this is
> being proposed. I can ask for more details though.
>
> Thanks,
> -Gregoire.
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Elizabeth Calhoun via Barony <
> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>
>> Unto All List Members:
>>
>> I don't exactly understand what recasting this "law" to 150 miles rather
>> than 100 will likely do ... but I do note that according to one mileage
>> calculator, Grand Rapids is 133 miles away, Kalamazoo, 100.  Port Huron is
>> 98 ...
>>
>> That's a LOT of Pentamere potential events, in that 150 proposed miles!
>>
>> I don't believe that all events are GOOD events but I *also* think we
>> should have the right to vote with our behavior which events we'll attend.
>> Those events need to conform to a level of "worthiness" to be attended!  If
>> the "marketplace" is artificially limited, then to a degree, no one is
>> helped.
>>
>> I'd rather like to know more what's driving this initiative, the primary
>> "stakeholders."
>>
>> In Service,
>>
>> Godaeth
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony <
>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Barony,
>>> I look forward to more comment on this issue.  Why should you write
>>> about it?  And why to the Baronial list?
>>>
>>>    - First, I hope discussion will produce greater light as many minds
>>>    consider this issue.  Sharing here can spark a blending of ideas.
>>>    - Second, Cynnabar produces 3 well regarded events, each with a
>>>    strong core interest group.  Terpsichore and St Cecila's would both be
>>>    considered special interest events by many people.  Grand Day of
>>>    Tournaments is more of a "typical" SCA event, but has a few unique
>>>    attractors that make it special.  Therefore, the Barony has a vested
>>>    interest in how the decision about the distance change turns out, and in
>>>    the process by which that decision is made.
>>>    - Third, Cynnabar does great Kingdom level events.  We are respected
>>>    for it. Others may want to hear from us.
>>>    - Overall we have an excellent history of producing successful
>>>    local, regional and Kingdom events. I think that you, the people who create
>>>    those events, should be heard in this discussion.
>>>
>>> I believe a message from the Barony with arguments presented by members
>>> of a group such as I described will be valued and listened to by the Curia.
>>> If we have a consensus of opinion (and a minority report, too) it is our
>>> duty to pass it on.
>>>
>>> In a week I will see what we have collected here, write a synopsis, get
>>> your last comments, and send it as our collected advice to Crown and Curia.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Kay
>>>
>>>
>>> *Kay Jarrell*
>>>
>>> 4363 Lyndon Lane  Ann Arbor, MI 48105
>>>
>>> kjarrell at gmail.com
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Melanie Schuessler Bond via Barony <
>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that this change would not be for the better.
>>>>
>>>> Melisant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Anne Stevenson via Barony wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Gregoire that this may cause even more trouble with people
>>>> booking up the calendar ahead of time.
>>>>
>>>> What I would like to see more is finding ways to help groups work
>>>> together to put on events.  Then there would be more attendance, more staff
>>>> and hopefully more opportunities for fun and engagement!
>>>>
>>>> Giovanna
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Greg Less via Barony <
>>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mistress Kay -
>>>>>
>>>>>    There are pros and cons to this issue. The calendar is certainly
>>>>> over-booked the way it is already, but reducing the number of events per
>>>>> weekend by increasing the "do not compete" radius is simply going to
>>>>> encourage the monolithic legacy events to get on the calendar further and
>>>>> further in advance. Even if the kingdom starts restricting how far in
>>>>> advance a group can book a weekend, I think that they will see a sudden
>>>>> influx of reservations on the first available day.
>>>>>
>>>>>    A solution is needed, I'm just not sure that this is it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Gregoire.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Kay Jarrell via Barony <
>>>>> barony at cynnabar.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does Cynnabar have an opinion on this issue? If you want to add your
>>>>>> thoughts to the advice I send Mistress Catriona please write.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here in Pentamere this change would have a powerful affect. We have
>>>>>> struggled with date conflicts just this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate any input from those who do not feel strongly enough to
>>>>>> write directly to The Seneschal, but have thoughts to express.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>> Kay
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: "The Midrealm Gazette" <donotreply at wordpress.com>
>>>>>> Date: Jan 25, 2016 8:32 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [New post] From the Kingdom Seneschal, February AS L
>>>>>> To: <kjarrell at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> admin posted: "Let’s talk about event scheduling. The Middle Kingdom
>>>>>> is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups and thousands of
>>>>>> members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically allowed to hold
>>>>>> events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom Calend"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New post on *The Midrealm Gazette*
>>>>>> <http://www.midrealmgazette.org/?author=1> From the Kingdom
>>>>>> Seneschal, February AS L
>>>>>> <http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/> by
>>>>>> admin <http://www.midrealmgazette.org/?author=1>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let’s talk about event scheduling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Middle Kingdom is fortunate to have more than eighty local groups
>>>>>> and thousands of members. Our longstanding law is groups are not typically
>>>>>> allowed to hold events within 100 miles of one another. The kingdom
>>>>>> Calendar Secretary is instructed to inform groups if an event is within 200
>>>>>> miles and/or in the same region of an event that is already scheduled. The
>>>>>> purpose is to help bring potential conflicts to mind. The intent is to help
>>>>>> Shires and Baronies be aware they may be impacted in terms of attendance.
>>>>>> Currently, groups are not prohibited if the events are scheduled at least
>>>>>> 101 miles away from each other. However, a law change is under
>>>>>> consideration to change the “100-mile rule” to 150 miles. Commentary,
>>>>>> concerns, and discussion can be sent to me at seneschal at midrealm.org.
>>>>>> Read more of this post
>>>>>> <http://www.midrealmgazette.org/2016/01/25/from-the-kingdom-seneschal-february-as-l/#more-929>
>>>>>> *admin <http://www.midrealmgazette.org/?author=1>* | January 25,
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